PLEASE HELP needed now

lamoncha lover · #1 08/01/09, 12:41 AM

goat kidding.
one buck so far. very weak. been over anh our and he just lays there. dried him, gave karo syrup ...have ne selenium. Didnt knowhe was coming. milked mom tube fed him a lil. he wont take bottle.lethargic. I normally give mom selenium b4 kidding and baby at birht. can p/u some tomowwow at 7:30 if he lives. gave a vit e pill. what can ido/ sure momma is having more but none yet...had thisone an hour or 2 ago i think.what can i do if anything? thanks

Wonderland · #2 08/01/09, 01:55 AM

All I know to tell you is just to keep him warm and continue tube feeding him until you can get some selenium. I would probably take him inside if it were me, to keep an eye on him.

I really hope he pulls through and that the others, if there are any, are okay.

Good luck! I wish I had more experience to know what to tell you to do.

lamoncha lover · #3 08/01/09, 02:26 AM

I could just kick my own butt. I should have been ready.
anyway i gave him 2 vit e pills and a b complx shot. gave him lactated ringers with a lil 5 % glucose SQ
tubed him..have him in house underheat lamp. still floppy. vet will be open in 5 h ours. Momma still hasn't had another but i know she still has a baby or two. I have never had to go in. I did put a finger, but my barn light went out..had to try and do a check with flashlight and all ..so didnt go so well. I have really large hands,,i can't go in far.did milk mom in the dark to get babies milk.I don't think this looks good at all . I had 4 hous sleep last night as i just couldnt sleep..and loks like tonight will be a no sleeper. i am too old for this..but i gues sif you are gonna be stupid ya have a price to pay.

betsy h. · #4 08/01/09, 03:32 AM

If mama is not progressing she needs calcium NOW.

tums will help, yogurt is also good labor food, but you need calcium gluconate or CMPK liquid to make her work on contractions.

HappyFarmer · #5 08/01/09, 04:41 AM

Any updates? I'm probably too late to be of much help here, but I'll post anyways. Your post seems mostly about the kid but sounds like mom is having issues too?

Is the doe contracting? She's exhausted by now. Either you or someone needs to go in to get those kids-dead or alive. Find someone with smaller hands-vet, neighbor, close goat breeder? Most goat owners won't mind an emergency call if they can assist-we're generally a very passionate crowd. They may have the meds you're seeking on hand!

Oxytocin (sp? vet script) would push those kids out, but not if one is mal-presented & blocking the birth canal. This late I would get the kids out any way I could as the mom may be in jeapardy. Good chance the rest of the kids are dead by now.

Keep doing what you'rd doing with the kid, good suggestions offered. Additionally we always swing the kid hard by the back legs to clear out the breathing & lungs, especially if the kid was breech. Make sure his/her head doesn't hit the ground or other object.

HF

lamoncha lover · #6 08/01/09, 08:44 AM

thanks for the replies
i was at vets this morning and she gave me selenium and baytril and ________ can't even remember. thats what 2 hours sleep does. CRS
momma is bawling for her baby but does not appear to be in labor. Maybe she did have just one. She is a ff but she looked so large and still looks fat. Last night she was still pawing and acting just like she was in labor. She doesnt act exhausted or anything now.
buck slept in a wire dog crate next to the couch. How much should I be tubin. A site said 60 cc? does that sound right. He is a lil better this morning. Still not able to attempt to stand but he did hold his head up. He is still weak and pretty flaccid. i gave him the shots about 45 min ago. Vet said to keep on trying. If the shots don't kick start him I have no more bags of tricks. Thanks for the help guys. I will keep on trying/ Does doe need to be put on antibiotics? I didnt go in deep but did put finger. would prefere she doens tget an infection that I created. thanks again

Wonderland · #7 08/01/09, 09:54 AM

I'm glad he's doing a little better. I hope he continues to get better.

If she's not contracting or anything, I would think she probably only had a single. My Nigerian doe looked sure to have twins at least, but it was just one boy, and she remained pretty fat for a little while after labor. You could try "bouncing" her to be sure. I think Fiasco Farms describes it, if you could find it on there.

I really hope your little guy pulls through. Don't beat yourself up, you had no way to be prepared not knowing to even expect the kid.

lamoncha lover · #8 08/01/09, 10:38 AM

I am so tired and so discouraged. He lifted his head up. and thats about it. I move him around..trying to stimulate him. His back legs are totally floppy ...if i pinch hard one foot there is no response. other back leg does have a slight reaction to hard pinch at foot.
could momma have pawed him? could I have injected the lil pincushion boy in sciatic nerve. I tried to be careful but he has had 2 sq ifluid injections in neck skin, and at least 4 shots in back leg muscle. What could be causing him to be TOTALLY flaccid on back end? hubby said we should name this cemetary farm..I have not had good luck with critters in quite awhile. Makes me want to sell every breathing thing on this place. including him :>)

mary,tx · #9 08/01/09, 11:29 AM

Have you tried just holding him up in a standing position? This is what I have done with weak kids, and eventually they have gotten stronger. I don't know what more you can do. You've done way more than I ever have.

As to momma, sometimes they will continue acting like they are in labor until after the afterbirth has passed. Did you find afterbirth?

I have a huge older doe that looked like she could have three or four but she only had one. It really is hard to tell by looking how many they might have.

lamoncha lover · #10 08/01/09, 05:16 PM

he smells sour..like the milk is not digesting well. But he is alive and when i stand him he can support his front sometimes,,he is peeing and had 1 small stool.i tried the fiasco farms bounce but is beyond me. I suspect tonight will determmine. I am almost half tempted to tak ehim to momma and let nature take its course.but he is soo cute.

Jyllie63 · #11 08/01/09, 05:27 PM

How is his temperature?

lamoncha lover · #12 08/01/09, 09:02 PM

i will ty and get his temp at next feeding
he still acts paralyzed on the one back leg..other is floppy but has some movement.He does hold head backover shoulder. Could it be thiamone deficiency.?

susanne · #13 08/01/09, 10:07 PM

i would check his mouth. smelling sauer can be from deformity of his mouth.
head over shoulder at this newborn stage means he is dying.
sorry about that.

betsy h. · #14 08/02/09, 01:20 PM

you may want to just leave him alone to sleep for a couple of days and not panic- sometimes they do this and they suddenly wake up very hungry, ready to take on the world.

goatkid · #15 08/02/09, 05:22 PM

I can't imagine leaving a newborn goat kid alone for a couple of days. He'd get dehydrated. Stick with the tube feeding and make sure he's pooping. If he is truly paralyzed in the back end, he likely either suffered a birth injury or his dam pawed him. If you just stuck a finger into the doe's vulva, she does not need antibiotics.

Backfourty,MI. · #16 08/02/09, 06:34 PM

Wish I could give you some advice but no experience in your situation. Just checking in to see how the little guy is doing?

lamoncha lover · #17 08/02/09, 10:01 PM

lamoncha lover · #18 08/02/09, 10:09 PM

baby bucko is surprisingly doing better. I had decided if he didnt show some improvement today that I may decide to give it all up. He had a jaunt outside and a quick visit with momma. I let her sniff him up and she even did a few licks.He spent some time sunbathing. I decideed today at least if he was outside and he died he would die happy.He immediately sniffed the grass. We did some PT today..and he was able to stand although quite knuckled under and even tried to walk l.This from a baby who for 2 days could not lift his head...heck he couldnt even put his tongue in his mouth.
I misseed his 3 hour feeding as I had to get people food today before we all starved. When i got home monster boy had managed to get on his feet all my himself. He has shown no interest in sucking...but guess the mixture of some gained strength and being hungry he actually DRANK his milk from a vinyl glove. He has suck so I feel much more confident. Heis peeing and pooing...quite often..often enough he is now banashed to my basement kenel with a heat lamp and sawdust and some room to try to walk.
I am hopeful but trying not to get too excited. He is not out of the woods yet but I have seen so much improvement today I am hopeful. Thanks to all who cared. lori

Wonderland · #19 08/02/09, 10:10 PM

Have you tried splinting the back legs? Maybe if he had a little support for those weak legs he could slowly build up the strength.

He sure is a cute little fellow. How much selenium can you safely give?

betsy h. · #20 08/02/09, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by goatkid

I can't imagine leaving a newborn goat kid alone for a couple of days. He'd get dehydrated. Stick with the tube feeding and make sure he's pooping. If he is truly paralyzed in the back end, he likely either suffered a birth injury or his dam pawed him. If you just stuck a finger into the doe's vulva, she does not need antibiotics.

If he does not want to eat then do not feed him till he wants to be fed!!! If he has pooped, then his system is clear.

If he is in a box, warm and being watched constantly, *LET HIM SLEEP* till he wakes up, but certainly keep checking-

I have seen this happen many times to newborns- they just have not awakened yet, it is like they are still in the womb- in somewhere about the 48 hour mark they are up screaming for mom!

Additionally , Baytril is *verboten* for use in goats, so do so at your own risk.

It could also be that he has a defect inside you do not see and he will slip away on his own and no amount of feeding or medications will help.