doe fine last night...now almost gone

MamaDee · #1 07/09/09, 03:15 PM

We have a 3 month old nubian doeling. Last night she was just fine.

This morning she was standing still, not acting right. She was alternating between bawling to being very still. Her temp was 105.8. No diarreah, coughing, runny nose, etc. Her eyelids were fine.

She kind of acted like she couldn't see right, so I suspected polio. I gave her a shot of thiamin (1/2 a cc--it is 500 mg/ml stregnth and she weighs 35 pounds). I went down 2 hours later to check on her and she was worse. So I gave her another 1/2 cc...planning on then waiting 6 hours for the next dose.

I checked her again a couple hourse after the second dose and she was down. She couldn't get up. Her eyes were closed, but she was breathing--though by now I suspect she is not. I'm scared to go back down.

Can polio come on and kill this fast? We had a case of polio 3 years ago.....is it that common? Is there something we are doing wrong to cause this? With the first doe we lost, I didn't think we caught it in time. We learned alot that year. But this morning I acted fast--and she had been fine last night. Why didn't the thiamin work?

Dee

Wonderland · #2 07/09/09, 03:30 PM

Could it possibly be listeriosis? Some of the symptoms are supposed to be similar, and that would explain why the thiamine isn't working.

Backfourty,MI. · #3 07/09/09, 03:34 PM

Idon't know what is wrong with your little doeling but I sure hope someone helps you soon! Keeping my fingers crossed for you & hoping she pull's through. I wish I had some good advice for you but never dealt with anything like that either.

susanne · #4 07/09/09, 03:41 PM

this is not listeriosis or polio. i would suspect either pneumonia or enterotoxemia.
a kid down like this needs banamine and antibiotics.

how is she now? if entero, she will get very pale very soon. they start bleeding in the intestine. only cd antitoxin and high doses of pennecillin might get her around.
if pneumonia, she needs banamine and nuflor.
best would be to contact your vet ASAP.

if given thiamine and in two hours worse, it is always something else but polio.

Cannon_Farms · #5 07/09/09, 05:55 PM

Naxel was gaven to my doeling just in case and keep her from getting any pnumonia from laying down too much, its great for the listorosis. You cant over do the thiamine, so I would give her more but IV if you know how. If she gets better start giving some vitamine e to help with any brain damage 1000 u per 40lbs
Its been a long hard battle here and I hope that she turns around for you, Banamine is something I would use as well.

Bricheze · #6 07/09/09, 06:29 PM

Any updates on the doeling?

moonspinner · #7 07/09/09, 06:37 PM

Those symptoms don't sound like polio. That's a dangerously high temp.

MamaDee · #8 07/09/09, 08:48 PM

I'm sorry, guys. I posted earlier, but had computer trouble and it didn't go through.

Anyway.....she is still alive. And even standing, but looks really bad.

I have been keeping up the thiamin. I also started thinking about pneumonia, but don't have an antibiotic on hand (I lent out my Pen. G and forgot I never got it back). I did give her 1/4 of an adult asprin (got the dose from online) an hour ago and it took her temp only down from 106.1 to 105.3. I also used our long neck water can to dribble water down her throat and she swallowed some. I did this every couple of hours since this afternoon.

I'm thinking that if she's still with us tomorrow morning I will get an antibiotic (can I use Pen. G or is there a better one?) and get some Banamine for fever and pain.

I know some say it doesn't sound like polio....with pneumonia will a goat seem blind, too? Epina just stands with her hand hung way down low, not seeing. When she does walk (which in itself is an improvement from earlier) she walks right into things. Does this happen in other things besides polio, too?

I will check back to see what others suggest I get from the vet in the morning. I have to put my own kids to bed now, but I will try to get on later to check. Thanks for all the help. She is the only kid we didn't sell this year b/c we fell in love with her.

Dee

Minelson · #9 07/09/09, 09:03 PM

Hugs

I hope she is ok...Sorry I don't have the experience to tell you what to do. I feel bad for you that you are going through this

Cannon_Farms · #10 07/09/09, 10:09 PM

For some reason Im thinking your close to me, if so I have several types of antibotics naxel included, and banamine.

ShyAnne · #11 07/09/09, 10:15 PM

Hope she gets even better through the night.

MamaDee · #12 07/09/09, 10:35 PM

I just re-read the earlier posts. Would Naxel or Nuflor be better? It depends on what my vet has, too. And banamine for sure.

I can't find any info on some of the symptoms she has for pnuemonia. They do match polio, but I'm thinking too, that with a high fever like that you could get those symptoms. She is standing still with her head down. It's actually in her hay, but she doesn't notice. When I was with her, she was leaning against me and pushing her head against me, too. She can walk, sort of...but she runs into things. Once today when I came down, she was on her front knees with her bum up in the air.

She was almost comatose today earlier, so to see her standing with her eyes half open(even though she's still not moving) is an improvement.

I'm going to do some more reading. Thanks, everyone.

Dee

MamaDee · #13 07/09/09, 10:46 PM

The other thing I thought of was to get some electrolyte solution and tube feed her. I have the tube and syringe, but does anyone know how much solution I should give her? Most of my info. is about tubing a sick newborn kid with milk. Thanks,

Also, CanonFarms....thanks for the offer. I'm in Missouri, though.

Dee

Bricheze · #14 07/10/09, 01:38 AM

Would putting her in an ice bath be a good idea for a high fever? I know that when it get's that high in humans they have done it before. I would think even just a bag of ice to hold on her head would help...

LaManchaPaul · #15 07/10/09, 06:33 AM

Dee, here is the info I have captured from this forum for making electrolyte solutions.
Wishing the best. Paul
electrolyte water
1 liter water,
2 tbsp sugar or honey,
1/4 tsp salt,
1/4 tsp baking soda
1 teaspoon probiotic power

susanne · #16 07/10/09, 07:47 AM

de is that a kid from the doe with the swollen knee?????

Cannon_Farms · #17 07/10/09, 08:01 AM

If you read the artical on polio that was posted in my thread, Im not sure if a sugar based anything would be a good idea, its something I had personal conflict in desiding if to give or not to give since the unbalance can be caused by sugars such as molasis.
The fever could be causing all the symtoms and I would be trying to cool her by any means possible, but on the same token if it was listorosis or polio both can cause brain swelling wich can cause fever but not likely, listorosis is probably the more likely thing you have going here. Naxel 4grams is what my vet sent home for my goat, its expensive but you can refreeze what you dont use, and is pretty good on pnumonia too.

Pony · #18 07/10/09, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by MamaDee

The other thing I thought of was to get some electrolyte solution and tube feed her. I have the tube and syringe, but does anyone know how much solution I should give her? Most of my info. is about tubing a sick newborn kid with milk. Thanks,

Also, CanonFarms....thanks for the offer. I'm in Missouri, though.

Dee

Where in MO? I have LA 200 and Banamine, and I"m in NW MO.

Bricheze · #19 07/10/09, 08:57 PM

Sorry-- I am asking again, how is the little doeling?

MamaDee · #20 07/10/09, 10:20 PM

I cannot get my posts to go through...I don't know if it's my dial up connection or what. I finally saved my post as a file so I wouldn't have to keep typing it over and over again when it didn't work. Hopefully, this one will.....Anyway...

Epina is still with us! She has improved since yesterday afternoon when she was down, but has stayed about the same all day today.

Yesterday she got regular doses of thiamin and sips of water. Asprin at night that took her temp. down from 106.1 to 105.3

This morning she was standing and actually walking a bit. She still seems like she can't see well, but doesn't seem totally blind anymore. Her temp was normal. Starting this morning I am giving her thiamin, banamine, nuflor and nutradrench. I am still giving her sips of water.

Mostly she just stands very still with her head against the wall. I don't know what to think. She's better, but still worrisome.

Does anyone know how long it might take to get better with nuflor?

Here's the other issue: my adult doe that I tested for CAE came back positive. This is NOT her mom. Epina has never nursed off that doe. She has been in the same pen with her (she jumped the fence a couple of times trying to get to her own mama). I can't believe she could get CAE from my other doe, but it makes me think. Unless somehow Epina's mom got CAE from my other doe......

Needless to say, I'm testing my other 3 does and my buck. If it is CAE, nothing I'm doing now will matter. I'm hoping the antibiotic will work in a couple of days. Fingers crossed. Again.

Does anyone know if my doelings symptoms sound like the neurologic form of CAE that kids get?

Dee