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Old 07/09/09, 01:58 PM
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Lost our Fiona...

Hey everyone,

I came home lastnight to unfortunate news. My husband found our 8mo doeling dead. He had already burried her by the time I got home and I don't have the time to have a look myself until tomorrow and by that time there won't be much I can tell. I am suspecting two things: 1, Polioencephalomalacia 2, Toxin.

My husband told me lastnight that when he came home Tues. night he found her with her head stuck in a partition in the barn (they have access in and out of an enclosed section). He got her out, and he said she seem "dazed" looking up and out of it. I'm now thinking stargazing. She didn't eat that night. He looked her over, saw she was okay as far as injury and let her be. He wasn't worried just counting her behavior as stress as he had no idea how long she had been stuck. I probably would of done the same.

He comes home lastnight to find her under the barn dead. He is pretty sure that she had gone under the barn sometime Tues. night and died from the looks of her. She was down on her side, legs straight out (he said if you took a standing goat and knocked it over that is what she looked like) and had a small amount of froth on her mouth. No BM to observe.

She had been active and her usual bouncy self up until Wed. evening. These are the only two possibilities I can consider without having a chance to see the body or perform a necropsy. As much as I know and have experienced I just wanted to bounce it off of you all to compare notes.

Her abdomen was not distended either Tue. night, nor out of what you would expect when she was found yesterday. So I am ruling out bloat. She showed no signs of distress Tue. evening that would inciate bloat either my husband checked her thoroughly afraid of any stress induced complications.

The only two things that could bring a goat down so fast without any additional outward symptoms would have to be polio or a toxin to me...

We are very upset about this loss. It totally came out of the blue and we were hoping to breed her come next year. She was the prettiest champagne color. She was also the first born on the new place. Her momma is pretty distressed by her loss as well.

I will say that her momma had a bad bout of diarhea about two weeks ago. She had been wormed recently but I gave her another dose just in case. I did not do a fecal. She was fine otherwise, on feed, good weight, healthy gums and sclera, and her coat is that beautiful glossy red, so I really didn't think it was a parasite load but err'd to the side of caution. No fever, no signs of distress. I attributed it to something she may of eaten when she was out of the paddock. I gave her electolytes and pro-bios for three days and she seemed fine. Poops returned to 100% in about 5 days. Haven't thought anymore of it. Fiona never contracted diarhea, and was happy to bounce around care free.

I'm half way tempted to take tissue samples for testing but the spinal fluid, brain matter may be too corrupted for lab tests to be conclusive anyways. Ugh its frustrating sometimes.

Any thoughts are appreciated. Thanks.

Hope you all don't mind but I attached one of my favorite photos of her.

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Old 07/09/09, 02:17 PM
 
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Sorry for the loss of your beautiful girl.

Geez, there could be so many causes. She possibly could have hemmoraged or ? from being stuck and distressed. Could be something intestinal as her dam had diarrhea earlier - which could be a toxin. I would think polio you would see symptoms more than 24 hrs before her death.
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Old 07/09/09, 02:23 PM
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I don't have any advice for you, I just wanted to say sorry for your loss. She was a beautiful goat.
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Old 07/09/09, 03:48 PM
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She really is a beautiful girl! I am so very sorry for your loss so sad
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Old 07/09/09, 04:51 PM
 
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Sorry you lost your goat. It could have been polio. She also could have gotten butted by another goat and was injured in a way that was not obvious to your husband. If she was stuck long enough, she could have become dehydrated. Sometimes we just never know for sure what killed a goat.
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I'm so sorry but want to commend you for being so practical and thinking through things so you can take the good with the bad and try to learn. I'm sorry I don't have any information to offer you.
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Old 07/09/09, 05:19 PM
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Everyone seems to be losing kids this year -hugs- sorry I don't know what it could be all, I thought was polio from the dazed look after being stuck...
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Old 07/09/09, 06:47 PM
 
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What about tetanus? A friend had a goat go down just like you describe with that rocking horse stance.
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Old 07/09/09, 08:48 PM
 
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what was she? She looks like a guernsey doe.
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Old 07/10/09, 03:09 PM
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Thanks everyone for your thoughts and kind words I sincerely appreciate it.

Betsy H: Mom is a Nubian and we have no idea who daddy was as Cinnamon was bred when we got her and there was little history on what she may of run with prior. As Fiona matured it didn't appear she was full Nubain, she was a beefsteak of a kid, didn't have that refined Nubian look.

I doubt she was butted by another goat, she was only in with her mom. We only have Cinnamon, a buck Juan Pablo (in another pen) and Fiona. Where she got stuck, and where she got in under the barn was odd. I'm thinking she may of been head pressing which got her into both debacles.

I'm not suspecting polio as much as I am another toxin, but I scoured their pen today and cannot find any toxic plant, and they had not been out of the pen for several days. I'm stumped and I don't like it. When I worked for the vet we had a case of polio come in that took the goat within 8hrs of initial symptoms. The owners were extremely vigilant and noticed the stargazing and immediately brought the goat in. We did thiamine (B1) and heavy courses of fluids and it didn't respond. The vet began to believe it may be another disease but necropsy and test results showed positive polio. So sometimes it strikes fast and hard, but this just seems odd.

I'm going to post another thread. Our doe has started with diarrhea again. Its nearly projectile, and has mucus coming out of the vulva, rectum, and nasal passages. She is upbeat, eating, walking around, showing no nuerological signs, no fever, eye lids/gums look great, she is hydrated... so its something intestinal, but no distress. I'm starting her on a heavy course of B complex, and pro-bios, and also some pen. but I'm hesitant to use the pen. if it is intestinal but I don't want to take any chances either. I have never seen this before.

Also her bag is huge! She was exposed to our buck in early April but it didn't seem to take. She would never stands for him and he never managed to get the job done all the way. I am fairly certain he never penetrated her. After two days failed attempts we just gave up until the fall.

When she had the first bout of this diarrhea her bag seemed full but not heavy. Fiona was well passed weaned as well so I thought it peculiar, though I have seen mamary tissue swell in response to an immune reaction in rare cases. No mastitis however. After she got over the diarrhea in a couple of days her bag was fine. But today it is huge, teats are swollen and potining forward and I can get milk out of both... She does not appear to be pregnant from my observations, but if Juan did breed her she wouldn't be due until late Aug or Sept. She does not appear to be aborting. I have seen no muscle spasms, straining, or signs of discomfort, no attention being payed to her flanks or belly. This stumps me.

I'm going to take some samples and get them cultured before I start her course, but the vet won't be back until Monday to run them for me so I hope they won't be compromised because I want answers. I'll keep everyone posted but your thoughts would be helpful.
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