Big belly in goat

[longhorngal]

I have an Oberhasli doe that really looks distended to me and this has been going on for a few days. She doesn't seem uncomfortable just looks like she has eaten alot. They are turned out to browse in the a.m and we have LOTS of browse here. There gone all day and at night I give her about 2 lbs of Alfalfa pellets and 1/2 pound of whole oats with ADM cattle mineral and diamond v yeast added to it.
I don't milk her everyday but if I do I give her some oats/alfalfa pellets on the stand.
I dewormed her with cydectin a week ago-had taken a fecal in to the vet and he said she had a heavy worm load. She also had grayish looking eyelids. They did pink up a little around Wednesday but are looking gray again now.
I don't know if I'm feeding her incorrectly, or if the big belly is due to worms-I'm sure she still has worms but can't take a fecal in today since it's Sunday.
Any ideas? She was vaccinated for cd&t before I got her in April.

[Minelson]

Does she look distended in the morning before going out to browse? Mine look like they could explode when they come in at night. But in the morning it is much less. I also cut waaay back on alfalfa pellets and boss this time of year.
The gray eyelids would really concern me though..sounds like the cydectin didn't work. Double check the dosage and make sure you gave her enough...Do you have any other kind of wormer on hand?

[longhorngal]

Yes she is distended in the morning and I don't think she has enough food in there to warrent that. Her kids are in there with her and they are eating it too.
The vet says that cydectin is the ONLY thing that works around here and he gave me 5 cc to give her. I do have some QUEST here, should I give her that? She is right at 100 lbs.
I thought they had to have the alfalfa pellets to produce enough milk?

[Backfourty,MI.]

I don't use cydectin so I really don't know the correct dosage for a 100 pound goat but that doesn't sound like near enough, especially for a HEAVY worm load. I use Ivermectin at 3 ml for every 25 pounds of goat when I need to & also then I re-worm the same goat 1 week to 10 days later the same way & amount of ivermectin.

It sounds like she still has a heavy worm load.
Can't you buy your own cydectin at the farm stores & dose accordingly to the fecal you have done at the vet?

[longhorngal]

No, Cydectin is $70 here and I don't have nearly enough goats to warrent that. Quest is supposed to be the same thing from what I found out a couple of weeks ago.
I've been told repeatedly by vets and goat owners around here that cydectin is the only thing that works.

[Backfourty,MI.]

It sounds like the dose wasn't enough & I also would worm her & then do again in a week. Is quest the ivermectin paste form that's used for horses? If so then I guess I would use that & re-do in a week then have another fecal done on her.

Horse paste wromers are used at 3 times the wieght.

[longhorngal]

No, quest is supposed to be the oral horse form of cydectin.

[Backfourty,MI.]

I don't have the dosage for that then. I know ivermectin horse wormer is given at 3 times the weight. Sure hope someone that knows will jump in here soon.
It probly isn't good to keep worming her with the wrong amount of medication or the wrong kind becuase the worms will get to used to it & then it won't be as effective I don't think.

Maybe in the equine forum someone there will have an answer since it is a horse wormer. People over there must have goats too.

[longhorngal]

I've seen the dose on here for goats. I guess my questions are1. should I go ahead a deworm her today w/o another fecAL and 2. would the worms be causing the distended belly or is it something else?

[chamoisee]

Can you post a picture of her? Is she pregnant or nursing kids that are already born? She sounds to me like she just has great body capacity, and if she is carrying a normal amount of flesh, that's what I'd suspect.

[longhorngal]

I've let them out for the day but I'll get a picture tonight if she looks about the same. Her kids are 2 months old. She is underweight and that's why I took the fecal in along with the pale eyelids. This bloated look is new to her. She looks like she did when she was pregnant. She's been on the same pasture, feed routine for at least a month.

[chamoisee]

Is the wormer you used effective against the type of worms she had? Did the vet check for cocci?

[Alice In TX/MO]

Go to this page for dosages. Cydectin comes in several forms, too.

http://dairygoatinfo.com/index.php/topic,8934.0.html

[kreddish]

Myabe she ate something not so good for her? My Bella bygmy doe with a kid got into china berriy brush... and looked like a pumpkin for two days... but thank goodness it went away on its own. I would also recommend worming. Good luck

[Backfourty,MI.]

I still say it's probly worm load.

You said the vet did a fecal & her worm load was very high, I just think the wormer was not enough, amount wise I mean. Take another fecal sample to the vet & have them check it again. Then dose the cydectin acording to the dosage chart. I just think the vet didn't give enough medication & also should be done a week later.

[longhorngal]

Ok, I'll deworm her again. Her belly did look smaller coming in tonight so I'll see what she looks like in the morning. Maybe she did eat something she shouldn't have.

[Backfourty,MI.]

But if she ate something she shouldn't have would that cause her eye lids to be the gray color your talking about? I've never had a goat eat anything poisonous, etc. so I'm not sure. Only piggy goats that eat to much pasture first thing in the spring if I don't watch them close & they get a little bloated then.

[southerngurl]

Quest is 1 cc per 100 lbs.

[susanne]

quest is the same as cydectin .
cydectin does not kill all worms for example does not kill some strongyles or liver flukes, why a fecal check need to be done to find out what kind of parasites she has.

[ChiniMiniRex]

Cydectin is 1cc/1ml per 22lbs - 5cc is enough for a 125lb goat. Quest is the same as Cydectin but there is an additional ingredient in the mix, and it is 1cc per 100lbs. Here in the north east, I had better results using Ivomec than Cydectin. I use the injectable orally, and give 4cc's per 100lbs. I also repeat all doses again in 10 days to catch anything that was missed the first time around.

Kelly