doe down-help

cayenne47 · #1 06/04/09, 12:46 PM

She may be bloated. Of course I was gone all afternoon and didnt get home til after dark last nite.

I got some thera-bloat down her...got her up once and she walked about 10 feet, very wobbly, and went down. Also gave her some probios and electrolytes.She acts in major discomfort..moaning and groaning. Also a shot of Vit B. NO temp. Cow patty looking poo. ANything else i can do?

Goat Servant · #2 06/04/09, 01:27 PM

Get her up & moving!! Massage the left side very vigourously! As your walking her. It might take an hour or so of this. Do not let her lay down!

ETA Just realized who you are, though we've never met. You probably know the above.

cayenne47 · #3 06/04/09, 01:47 PM

I cant get her up, shes too heavy and wont help
she sloshes , im rolling her over and vigorously pushing on her sides...shes miserable. I cant drag her thru the mud.(of course its been 80+ til today-now downpours

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Should i try olive oil?
Shes my milker. Full alpine about 5 yo.

betsy h. · #4 06/04/09, 01:56 PM

Get some C&D antitoxin into her- or if you have nothing else, use the pink bottle/blue bottle method- for her it would be the blue bottle (Milk of Magnesia). Getting her to poop as much as you can will help move it.

Mineral oil will help as long as she is not puking.

If she is going toxic, try some Pen 'orally'- the key is to kill the bad stuff asap, and then add probiotics later as she feels better.

Sweet Goats · #5 06/04/09, 01:58 PM

Try using some Baking soda balls. Make small balls and shove them in her mouth.

Here we had goats bloating all over and dieing before they could get treated my the vet.

I normally treat my own but one of my does bloated and I new I could not do it alone. Took her to the vey and he tubed her with three different things all mixed together and that was the only thing that saved her life.

I would use more thera Bloat if you have it and rub that left side like no tomorrow.

I hope she makes it

cayenne47 · #6 06/04/09, 04:49 PM

Sweet Goats · #7 06/04/09, 04:50 PM

OH No, Did you loose her?

cayenne47 · #8 06/04/09, 04:55 PM

yes

I did everything i could...called the vet like 3 times....he never called back.

Came in to get dry and just take a minute. went out and shes gone...io would never have left her if i thought she would die

she was my favorite sweet loving milker. RIP Esther girl.

Jyllie63 · #9 06/04/09, 04:56 PM

Oh no........

We had to rush our alpaca to the vet for this very thing just a little while ago. We don't know if she'll make it or not. We are basically trying to save the cria at this point

Jyllie63 · #10 06/04/09, 04:57 PM

I really am sorry you lost her...so sad

cayenne47 · #11 06/04/09, 05:02 PM

If you follow the link to our website and go to breedstock page, you can see her pic....

DQ · #12 06/04/09, 05:03 PM

I'm so sorry

Goat Servant · #13 06/04/09, 05:11 PM

oh no, I am so sorry.

Jyllie63 · #14 06/04/09, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by cayenne47

If you follow the link to our website and go to breedstock page, you can see her pic....

Such a beautiful girl!

cayenne47 · #15 06/04/09, 05:20 PM

I never ever ever go anywhere. Yesterday was the first time in weeks that I left the place for more than to run to the grocery store. We were gone all afternoon and got home about 10pm, of course it was dark and i had no suspicion that anything was wrong. If i would have stayed home i could have caught it

I think this morning was just too late.The only thing different was that I trimmed her hooves yesterday and she got like 2 more cups of cob than usual. That couldnt have been enough to kill her??????

Ernie · #16 06/04/09, 06:27 PM

I'm sorry.

If the bloat is bad enough you can try puncturing the stomach to let out the gas. I've not done that, but I've seen picture of it being done and I've even seen animals up and walking around years later after they've had it done. Another option is to put a tube down their throat and into their stomach to try and let the gas out. I've never seen anyone do that one either.

I've saved badly bloated animals by lifting them and suspending them to where their feet are just barely touching. The bloat isn't pleasant, but I don't believe it's what actually kills them. The swelling in their stomach makes it difficult to breath and they ultimately suffocate. Some of the old farmers swear by this method, and I've had it work on a badly bloated ewe before. I used a horse blanket under her stomach and three ropes over a barn rafter to lift her up and keep her there. She wasn't happy about it at all, but she lived.

I'd be surprised if 2 cups (baking cups?) of feed did that. Are they on dry lot? Has it been raining a lot where you are and she got out too early in some wet grass? Did she perhaps get into some new hay or alfalfa? A bloating animal has a very distinctive smell ... like a plastic bag of lawn clippings that has been setting for a few days in the hot sun. Usually one side will be extremely distended and there will be shortness of breath.

Spring is the biggest risk for bloating. If your animals are on pasture, like mine, you've got to keep them moving and not let them stand in patches of clover and graze. I am very strict about grazing mine in one specific pasture with thin grass until exactly noon and only then will I turn them out into the high pasture where there is clover and longer grass, and never on rainy days.

Ernie · #17 06/04/09, 06:31 PM

Oh, and I've not seen baking soda or olive oil do the trick before. It's my experience that an animal treated with either of those didn't have the bloat badly enough to kill it anyway and it just normally recovered despite the intervention.

The bloat extends the stomach and diminishes lung capacity. I've never heard of it rupturing the stomach wall and I'm not sure if it can even happen. The only method I've ever seen that I can trust is to keep the animal on its feet so that the weight of its stomach doesn't keep its lungs from drawing air.

chamoisee · #18 06/04/09, 06:48 PM

Is there any possibility that someone else, say a well meaning child or neighbor, could have given her treats? I had a goat that ate about a third of a 50# sack of feed once....I thought she would die, but she didn't. She felt bad for a while though. So in other words, I also don't think 2 cups of grain would be sufficient to kill her.

Jyllie63 · #19 06/04/09, 07:30 PM

Our alpaca got into the horse treats...probably 1/4 to 1/3 of a bag. By the time the vet got here she was dehydrated, fast heart rate, and her PH level was low. So now we will have $1000 vet bill when we should have bought a 2.00 latch. Oh well...we live and learn. As long as she makes it through this ordeal it will be worth it.

Minelson · #20 06/04/09, 08:32 PM

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I am so sorry you lost Ester.

What a tragedy for you. I wish there was something I could say to help you feel better but it's just something you have to go through. Be kind to yourself...it's not your fault. She probably wanted to leave without you there because she knew how hard it would be for you...some just want to die alone. My brother did it that way...waited for everyone to leave the room then slipped away. Big hugs to you...I know how much your critters mean to you and I am so sad