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Old 02/13/09, 11:08 AM
 
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Milking udder care questions

I may have asked this in the wrong area before so thought I would put this here too,
This will be my first year milking and I had a few question:
Do I need a tote if I have a bucket?
When I strain is it from pail to tote or bottles?

What do you use for fast cooling?

I purchased a safegard pasteurizer anyone else use this? like dislike?

best udder care items, cleaners or recipes for homemade udder cleaners?

Kids Bottle feed or natural?

best places to shop for milking, uddercare items

cleanliness shaving the udder area do you? what do you use? how often?

things I absolutely should have? Should do?

Ethics friends have asked about milk from my farm, some want raw I can sell for pet consumption and do want to sell aged cheeses and would like to have a real dairy eventually I just want to be sure I can do it. I don't want/expect to get a lot of money but I love artisan cheese crafting and cheese products. What do you guys do? safe(i am planing on strip checks, double filtering, monthly mastitis testing, immediate cooling, dating, pasteurizing most), fair, pricing I would love thoughts here
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Old 02/13/09, 11:30 AM
 
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Do I need a tote if I have a bucket? No you don't need totes until you are milking several goats. I used stainless totes for years, honestly they are heavy on their own, add 8 pounds per gallon of milk and it's just too heavy to tote from the barn to the milk/soap house. So I use food grade plastic buckets with lids.

When I strain is it from pail to tote or bottles? You can milk through a strainer, you can milk then strain into your tote, or you can milk, tote and strain it into your bottles. It depends upon your weather and how long that milk is going to be out in the barn unchilled. You don't want your milk setting out in the barn uncovered or with straw or hair in it unstrained.

What do you use for fast cooling? I fill the stainless sink in the milkroom with my milk bottles, water and ice, and pour into the bottles. By the time I am through, I dry them off an into the freezer they go.

I purchased a safegard pasteurizer anyone else use this? like dislike? I only pasteruize baby milk, so a pasteurizer doesn't hold enough milk for what I do. I use a turkey roaster with an insert that holds 5 gallons of milk.

best udder care items, cleaners or recipes for homemade udder cleaners? Whatever you choose in this catagory it must be a routine you follow religiously, you add to many steps or expensive products you can't afford during your dry period, over christmas etc...it is how you get mastitis. I milk with a machine and shave udders. So the only real cleaning is the teat itself for the inflation to go on it. So I use baby wetones that I have added some alcohol to. I teat dip with chlorhexiderm in the beginning of lactation, there is nolvasan (same drug) dips in all catalogs. Then in mid lactation when summer hits, and the barns are much cleaner, an the girls spend so much more time outside, I go back to my 1/4 cup clorox per 1 gallon of water.

Kids Bottle feed or natural? I bottle feed so I can guarantee health of my kids to my customers. Also it's the only way once your children are grown and it's just you, and babies aren't your favorite part of the farm to get tame kids, is to bottle.

best places to shop for milking, uddercare items. Jefferspet.com or call them 1800-jeffers and get their livestock catalog. google.com Paul Hamby

cleanliness shaving the udder area do you? what do you use? how often? Absolutely, milking hairy udders, especially by hand is just plain gross.

things I absolutely should have? Should do? Less is more. If you are going to spend money spend it on a milkstand. That is how you get clean milk to start with, then clean the barn. You can get good clean milk with a shaver from wallmart to trim udders and belly, any stainless seemless bucket (think tractor supply), soap and water and individual cheap washcloths to clean with and a single use towel or paper towel per doe to dry after the washing, and you don't even need teat dip if you let the doe stand at the milkstand and finish her food for 5 mintues, the orifice naturally closes.

realmilk.com find out the regs for yourself on selling milk and cheese or any other milk product for eating. Then find out the teeth in your states regulations. It's one thing to bend the laws on USDA regulations, a whole nother problem with manufacturing food to eat and breaking health laws in your state. We all do it of course Vicki
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Old 02/13/09, 12:10 PM
 
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Hehe...Your Awesome Vicki!! Everywhere I go there you are Thank you so much for your words of advice...realmilk is what helped me want to get goats in the first place plus my desire to have a better hand in what I put in mine and my families body..I mean look at the peanut butter fiasco...
Thanks Again!!
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Old 02/13/09, 12:34 PM
 
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Yeah but we do alot of that stuff to ourselves. It's ground peanuts for heavensakes, yet folks buy it for 10 times more than it's worth if they just smashed their own peanuts themselves and put it on their kids jelly (made from anyfriut you can grow locally) sandwich themselves
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Old 02/13/09, 12:47 PM
 
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You can get lightweight stainless totes now from Hoegger's in a variety of sizes. I have 6-quart or 8-quart sizes, but they have larger ones.

For ease of sanitation, I do put milk into anything that is not stainless steal or glass.

We use snowbanks and arctic air for fast cooling in the winter and a jar or tote set in a bowl of ice in the summer. In the summer, we gently agitate the milk to make sure it cools quickly.

I drink raw milk so can't tell you much about pasteurizers.

Try the fiasco farm website http://fiascofarm.com/goats for homemade udder care items (recipes & products, I think). You can use just about anything but I have found that the easiest to use and easiest on hands & udder & teats is hot water with a little betadine. Wash & dry before and after milking. If you use a teat dip, use a disposable dixie cup - one for each doe. One for each teat if you come across an "off" teat.

You'll have to make up your own mind on how you want to feed the kids. We have a negative-tested (whole) herd for CAE, CL, and Johne's, so we have the option either way. We prefer to dam raise but we still milk every doe twice daily to keep production up. We only had one doe that couldn't keep this up with triplet bucklings. She still did great, though!

Local stores might be a good place for you to start. Otherwise I like Caprine Supply, Hoegger's, Jeffer's (love to hate), eBay, etc. Try google for more places.

I prefer a shaved udder but in the winter we do not shave them. It is just too darned cold here. We do, however, do a neat dairy clip before kidding and we shave throughout the show season. We would modify this for does that aren't thriving or babies that aren't staying warm enough, etc. We'll have to see what happens when we start attempting late fall freshenings...!

There are a MILLION AND ONE things you should have on hand. And then you realize you will rarely (if ever) need most of them. A minimum would be to gather a good list of medications for emergencies, UNLESS you have a very good vet that is nearby and will come at a moment's notice.

Read, read, read. Make up your own mind. Ask lots of questions. You'll be fine.

If you want to sell milk, ask at your local cooperative extension service and find out the local agencies that oversee this and the rules you will need to follow for each grading/inspection. If you plan ahead, you can set it up as you can afford. Good luck!
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Old 02/13/09, 01:42 PM
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not a big fan of hoeggers but the totes they offer are very nice
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Old 02/18/09, 03:42 PM
 
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Susanne, I know what you mean about Hoegger's. I loved the totes they made for a friend but when I bought mine, they were much cheaper quality and didn't have the button-top lids. Instead, they have cheap rivets attacking a little handle to them. They will work, but you have to be careful not to ding them up or you get surface rust. *sigh*
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