Boer color question Picture heavy

[jerryf]

I have a Registered Full blood herd of colored does--blacks and reds..mostly solids and a few paints.

I sold the last of my traditionals including a 6 month old beautiful buck kid. He was a standout in the group,,much bigger than the kids his same age.
"Triathlon" has a red head and large cape. He is 2 yrs old this month. He is well built and throws large well built healthy kids. He is an early breeding breeding in August, I have the opportunity to lease him to breed my does next season.
His sire "Zeus" is a local legend throwing beautiful kids, and some times thowing solid red kids out of traditional marked does. His kids are fast growing, large Boers with level toplines, well musculed and productive,

Triathlon's dam "Honey" is a traditional amrked doe. She always raised her kids with ease and they were always the biggest in the group. She is of Powell/Holmann breeding. Large, two teated, long, good confomation, well built,

I would like to improve my colored Boers by using Triathlon. My question: I know traditional markings are dominant, but will I get some heavy paints or solid kids?

Triathlon In winter coat Cold here in Minnesota





Zeus age 5



Honey age 3



Zeus son out of a traditional doe 10 months old



Your experience, advice, opinion would be appreciated

Jerry
see my doe herd at www.fletcherthreeoaks.com

[KSALguy]

it might be the way he is standing but he doesnt look very long to me, how wide is he? the doe he is out of has a nice long body and looks good, his father is nice looking too but again doesnt look very long in the pic,

he is a big buck and if his conformation is to your likeing it wouldnt hurt to use him, if your main concern is color your likely to get a mix of colors with alot of traditional or close to traditional marked kids, but you will also get some paints and probably some good solids too,

[Vicki McGaugh TX Nubians]

But your goal isn't to have a herd of traditional colored animals, so no matter how good, why would you use him?

It would be like me....there is a spectacular spotted buck (well I am sure there is one somewhere surely with my repulsion for spotted animals I can find just as spectacular or better black buck to use.

Reds are so popular now, I know with some legwork this winter you could find yourself just as nice if not nicer a buck to use on your herd, or purchase, and bring in new blood that will be even more popular than what you can find locally. You are limiting your vision. vicki

[copperpennykids]

I agree with what Vicki says about your desire for color.... Why settle? You have time to find a buck. Join boer goat chat on Yahoo, you should be able to find someone on there with a colored or paint buck.

As far as Triathalon goes....Well, he doesn't look that big for a 2 year old, to me. I don't like his front legs at all. If his kids throw back to the dam (yum, me lika her) or at least to the sire (see how his legs are straight?) and (the sire also has better breed character) then well, he may be a good bet for nice animals.

To be fair, it is tough taking pics when an animal is standing on icy/snow. They tend to bunch up. And if this buck is very balanced, he may be better than the picture shows - have you had your hands on him? Thick? Loin? Smooth? Wide?

And then , just might be a moot point if you continue to breed for color. For myself, I would rather have correct animals than color. Then, I like traditional. I do believe that too many animals are being kept for foundation breeding stock simply because they are colored. I know that we can generally whup the colored animals in the show ring.... JMO.

[SLD Farm]

I completely agree with copperpenny, look at confirmation 1st then color. I am trying to produce red and paint boers, but my big push is proper conformation. It is very hard to find colored animals with the conformation that you can find in traditional animals. I have 2 solid red 100% buck kids that I am selling as wethers. I have had several people interested in purchasing them as bucks, but IMHO they are not quality animals. I will not sell an animal based on color only.

I have found that to consitently(sp) get color you need color on both sides, sire and dam. That traditional buck, even with the cape, is going to throw a lot of traditional kids. I have a red buck, a 3rd genration red and got only 4 paint or red kids out of 10 this year. That was from paint does too. The traditional gene is very strong. If it was me. I'd buy a nice colored buck with a colored background and pray for colored kids.

[jerryf]

yes you all are right. Vickie you said it best. I will stick to my color program, I used a home grown solid Black buck this fall--kids due in 3 weeks. He has great bloodlines who's who of color Boers.......color on both sides sire a red paint dam 5 generations of solid black.

Black fantasy is wide thick, well muscled, muscled down is legs, deep chest, wide stance heavy rump. After I see the kids...I will rpobably use him again on the adult does. He will be a yearling end of Febraury.

Pictured at 8 months. Unclipped-- he has standing hair on his rump and actively breeding does all 12 does bred in 10 days!







Jerry

[April]

I really like that black buck, Jerry. And I appreciate a buck that is good at his job! Could you post pics of his kids when they're born?

[jerryf]

Yes I wil post pictures of his kids
I will start a new thread..they are due Feb 20th to March 3

Jerry