Need help with kid

mmurrey · #1 01/20/09, 06:02 PM

Yesterday our doe had trips. The last little doe that was born has gone down hill. She was laid out flat when I came home from work, I brought her in the house because she was so cold. I have given her Thiamine and Bo-SE. I had to warm her up in the tub, then I dried her off real good with towels and the hair dryer. I then tubed her because she seemed hollowed out, I don't know how long she was laid out for. This was all at 2:30, She has not improved any. What else should I do? I had never had to tube any ever, so that was nerve wrecking. If anyone has any suggestions it would be greatly appreciated.
Mellissa

susanne · #2 01/20/09, 06:19 PM

do you still have her in the house? she needs to be kept warm until she comes around. i would keep tubing her. what is her temperature? is the inside of her mouth warm?

mmurrey · #3 01/20/09, 06:31 PM

Yes, she is in the house on a heating pad. Her temp is 100.2. The inside of her mouth is luke warm, not hot. I am going to tube her now.
Mellissa

susanne · #4 01/20/09, 06:38 PM

be careful with the heating pad as this can dry her out too much.
is her skin still snapping back when you pinch it a bit with your fingers?
how much does she weight and how much do you tube her?
temp sounds still too lw. it should be in the 102 range.

mmurrey · #5 01/20/09, 06:50 PM

I just tubed her and put 36ml in her. Her belly feels full, not to full but good. She weighs about 4 1/2 to 5 lbs. Her skin is still snapping back, it is on medium(heating pad). It doesn't look good but I am not giving up on her.
Mellissa

beccachow · #6 01/20/09, 07:04 PM

I am NO WAY an expert, but all my research in prior emergencies brought me across Floppy Kid Syndrome. I may be really wrong, but it is the first thing that came to mind. I ran off an article about it:

Floppy Kid Syndrome:

Affects kids from 3-21 days of age. Some get it younger or older, they can have it twice.
Is found in dam raised kids, as well as bottle raised kids.
Is caused by clostridial type AE bacteria.
Clostridial bacteria, such as Tetanus live in the ground.
Is treatable if caught early.
Is usually found in late spring kids after the weather warms up. Here in Texas late April & May is FKS season.
Symptoms:

First symptom is a wobbly or unsteady gate. If you see a kid cross his back legs when he is walking or runs a few steps and stumble he is probably in the early stages of FKS.
Kids seem to eat dirt have dirty mouths and faces.
Does have strutted udders. You can tell their kid has not nursed well.
You can sneak up & catch pasture kids, they don't try to run off.
Dam raised kids tend to be hollow, haven't nursed & appear to be weak.
Bottle kids tend to show the more prominent full belly the gut shuts down & the milk stays in the stomachs. The kids seem to slosh when shaken. These kids need treated with Pepto or Baking Soda.
Kids become lethargic unable to stand & eventually unable to even hold their heads up they become flat unable to control any muscles.
Some kids run high fevers others do not.
Some kids show signs of respiratory distress some don't. Inexperienced observers may diagnose these kids as having pneumonia.
Treatment:

If caught early enough (kids that are just starting to stumble) kids can be left on their dams. Treatment needs to be continued for 3 days even if the kids act fine on day 2.
Treat daily for 3 days with:
500mg Thiamine
2cc penicillin
2cc B Complex
This can be mixed together & given orally.
If the kids are flat when you find them give the following in addition to the above treatment:
1cc penicillin SQ
Electrolytes or 50% dextrose given orally do not give milk if their gut has shut down - Tube feeding may be necessary.
Probiotics mix with electrolytes to start the good bacteria going in the gut.
If the kids are out with their dams be careful they don't get out in the sun & try to cook. These kids tend to seek out the sunny spots & dehydrate quickly.
If the kid's gut is full and is not functioning a dose of Pepto-Bismol and/or baking soda will help.
If the kid is flat:
Prop him up on his brisket & hold his head & neck up with a rolled up towel
Keep kids hydrated tube feed electrolytes or 50% dextrose.
Withhold milk until the kids has been up and moving well for 8 hours.
Don't let him get too cold or too hot.

Again, I could be waaaaaay off base here.

mmurrey · #7 01/20/09, 09:56 PM

Update on the little one- as of ten something clicked her body temp is up, she actually has been trying to stand up, and she took a bottle at her 10:30 feeding. I can't believe how fast they can go down hill, and how she has came so far. I thought that we were going to loose her but was trying to keep up hope. I guess she will be staying here on the farm if she keeps it up. Just thought I'd share the news!
Mellissa