Doe aborting

DW Farms · #1 12/02/08, 01:17 PM

This morning I found a first timer had abort her kid, She wasnt due until Feb, What could have caused it, The last couple of days ive been sick, So they have just been getting a bale of hay. No grain. Other wise they get grain and hay. What could have caused this? Is there any way she can abort one and still have one still inside that she could carry full term. What should I do for the mother?

Thanks
Adam

beccachow · #2 12/02/08, 01:26 PM

I don't have answers, but just wanted to tell you I am sorry.

Goat Servant · #3 12/02/08, 01:45 PM

Im sorry too. Could she have gotten butted?

reicheru · #4 12/02/08, 01:47 PM

I'm so sorry. I had one abort twins a couple weeks ago and scoured the internet looking for answers, since I knew that she hadn't been beat up. Turned out to be Chlamydia. uuugh. poor baby.

susanne · #5 12/02/08, 02:15 PM

there are so many reasons, from mineral deficiency to infection, (very very rare from mechanical abuse) for a doe to abort that there can not be an answer just over the internet. only conclusion would be to get necropsy done from fetus and/or placenta.
sorry it happened to your doe. after parasite control (fecal test and worming if necessary) and bo-se shot, try to bred her again next heat cycle.

Vicki McGaugh TX Nubians · #6 12/02/08, 02:29 PM

There is nothing to do, and most have no cause at all. 1 in 7 women misscarry, so it would bode the same in our livestock. Most you don't even note because it is nothing more than a wet tail, later abortions can be caused by...being butted, lack of nutrition... in self absorbing one kid all three in the same horn are aborted instead of absorbed. It's very very unlikely that your doe is still bred, but this early in the year she will recycle in less than 8weeks. Heat will be very light, if you have an older buck to make sure she gets bred put her in with him.

Now if you have another doe abort than you have a problem. Vicki

Minelson · #7 12/02/08, 03:28 PM

Sorry for your loss

powderhooves · #8 12/02/08, 06:39 PM

Okay..now another panic attack......my goats butt each other all the time. Do I need to freak out now?????

susanne · #9 12/02/08, 06:47 PM

not at all. goats wouldn't have survived this long if they would have lost kids this easy

most breeder will claim butting or jumping if a doe aborts. if they would send in fetus or placenta for testing, (costly

) they would learn that most of the time it is either infection or nutritional cause.

stormwalker · #10 12/02/08, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by DW Farms

Is there any way she can abort one and still have one still inside that she could carry full term. What should I do for the mother?

Thanks
Adam

I'd be more worried that she still has one in her and it is dead as well. She may need antibiotics and/or actual removal of the fetus.
I had it happen with a mare that was brought into my boarding facility.
Good luck!

DW Farms · #11 12/03/08, 11:23 AM

AHHHAHH, Another one aborted today. I dont know what is going on. Havent changed feed, havent changed the hay, nothing different. Whats going on!!! And as far as a vet there are non close, the ones that are close they arent doing farm calls. Please any help.

Adam

susanne · #12 12/03/08, 11:56 AM

i would contact your state lab and send the aborted material in for testing.
in the meantime, put the rest of your does on tetramycin crumbles in case you are dealing with chlamydia infection.
are that all does bred by the same buck? did you see pinkeye in your goats during the summer? did you give them selenium pre-breeding?
what kind of minerals do you have for your goats?
is your hay free of mold?

DW Farms · #13 12/03/08, 12:19 PM

Ive got wethers and un bred does with these one, Will terryimicin hurt them?
Yes, all are bred to the same buck, The mineral is Meat Maker mineral, No i didnt give selinium and Ive not seen or smelt mold and no pinkeye. Also there are no cats here, and when the hay was bough from, was right out of the feild.

Adam

stormwalker · #14 12/03/08, 12:27 PM

Maybe you should call Vicki !?

reicheru · #15 12/03/08, 12:41 PM

I gave my older unbred stock LA200... I know people who will give all their stock oxytetracyclines but I'm paranoid and since I was told that it'll mess with their teeth and bone growth, I won't. My older doelings and my pregnant doe, I gave Tylan200. Those who were in the pen with the doe who aborted, I seperated with her and burned all the bedding . She was kept on her own until she stopped discharging.

Like I said, I'm paranoid and easily freaked out.

Vicki McGaugh TX Nubians · #16 12/03/08, 01:27 PM

At least freak out about the right thing

Because tetracycling cause molotted teeth and bones in us who took it for acne back in the 70's it does not then, just because it is on the internet, mean it causes this in goats...for heavens sake!!

You will loose your entire crop if you don't start. Give does who are still pregnant shots of 3.5cc per 50 pounds of any 200 mg tetracycline under the skin subq. Give it every 12 hours for one day and then once a day for 5 days. Then drug the feed you use. Areomycin crumbles for cattle can be found at all feed stores, or they can order them out of their books for you. We have the dosages up on goatkeeping 101 at dairygoatinfo.com Keep them on it until spring. The does who aborted will be immune next year if this is chlamydia or mycoplsma or toxoplasmosis. Do not forget to do your buck who I would give injections to. It is nearly always a sexually transmitted disease that you does will now blood test positive for. If you have the money in the spring you may want to test the herd for Q fever, if you drink the milk, but it is usually later term abortion with sort of water babies born.

Don't choose the option of doing nothing, do not let any women of child bearing ages around the fetus or exude from the uterus, keep it picked up. Vicki

DW Farms · #17 12/03/08, 01:49 PM

Are you meaning LA200 will that work?

Could this be anything else?

I hate this!

Adam

susanne · #18 12/03/08, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by DW Farms

Are you meaning LA200 will that work?

Could this be anything else?

I hate this!

Adam

like it was said before, it is impossible for us to make an exact diagnosis. only a lab can tell for sure.
LA-200 is burning, biomycin would be better.

DW Farms · #19 12/03/08, 02:00 PM

How is chlamydia or mycoplsma or toxoplasmosis brought in to them? Hows it transfered

Vicki McGaugh TX Nubians · #20 12/03/08, 03:28 PM

Say one of your does has this, or is a carrier of this. The buck breeds her and gets this from her, then gives it to doe number 2 and doe number 3 as they are bred.

Or your buck comes to your place with it.

Or your buck catches this from breeding and outside doe.

Or the two does came with it from their previous homes. Although they will abort and build immunity other does, kids, and any kids born alive will not be born with immunity so they will then not only infect bucks next year during breeding season but they will abort also.

That is how you distinguish between abortions that are either a missplaced egg, does who fight and an abortion storm. Once you have a second abortion you take percautions. It's not about diagnosis, it's about preventing the loss of a kid group, because even if you sent in the last aborted material and blood from the doe, by the time you get the results back you will have lost all does pregnancies. It's not as if the kids are diseased, it's the bodies way of dealing with this, the kids being negative for the disease are incompatible to live in the uterus that is attacking them. The placenta, being part of the dam with DNA from the buck, will test positive for sexually transmitted disease. In early abortion you use all fetal material since they don't abort, kids and then placenta, it is all in one.

If all you can get locally is LA200 start them on it now, order the feed through tetracycline also, then talk and read and do a necropsy.

Did you have pinkeye in your herd this summer?

A litter of kittens in the barn this summer or fall? Kittens in the haybarn? Vicki