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11/17/08, 06:21 PM
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Lost ligaments... how long?
Whiskey Girl has had a mushy butt for the last 3 days and if her tail were any looser, it'd fall off. I'm hoping she's just playing a cruel joke on me. I took her to be bred in July... apparently, my buck must have jumped her without getting caught and her tail messy. ugh. Needless to say, I am not happy with Bugsy at the moment. Any idea on a time frame for her to actually go? Her udder is nice but no where near full.
She has some odd fascination with my phone... and soda cans... so I had to take this with her head in her grain and behind the stall door. lol
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11/17/08, 06:24 PM
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Her ligaments look gone for sure! Is she maiden?
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11/17/08, 06:28 PM
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When your exhausted and fell asleep  R
Really though, she does look close, if she's a first time freshener, they tend to loosen up 24hrs before. But the older does with more kiddings under their belt tend to have loose ligaments way sooner.
I think one doe of mine last year had loose tendons about 1 month prior to kidding.
Do you have any idea of her breeding date? If she took in early June she still has some time to kid. Irregardless, I would really go by the breeding date in conjunction with the loose ligaments and behavior change.
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11/17/08, 06:42 PM
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yup. She's a maiden... and has been like this for the last 3 days or so. I thought I knew when she was bred... but apparently, I do not. My goats are working on driving me over the edge. I thought she was bred about the same time as my red doe... compared rear ends and noooo way. 
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11/17/08, 11:00 PM
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She has some odd fascination with my phone... and soda cans... so I had to take this with her head in her grain and behind the stall door. lol[/QUOTE]
That is funny you should say that because I have a doe that will drink coke outa a straw. You come in the pen with a cup & a straw you better be prepared to share.
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11/18/08, 05:46 AM
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ahahaha Whiskey would probably drink from a straw if she knew how... she does drink from the can though.
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11/18/08, 10:40 AM
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Any babies yet? 
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11/18/08, 11:34 AM
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I haven't checked since this morning... I just got back from the vet with Gypsy's buckling. ugh. They aren't sure if he's going to make it... but god help me, I'm going to pull him through this.
ETA: No kids yet and Thorn passed away.
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11/18/08, 09:34 PM
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When the ligaments are GONE on one of my does, I give them 12 hours to deliver. Once those 12 hours are up, I go in and investigate. It has saved me several does. Ligaments are not meant to be gone for more than maybe a day, it causes stress on joints.
I'd try to press the matter - attempt going in to see what the holdup is. My guess is a single large kid or a large first-presented twin.
If she isn't ready, you'll know - cervix will be undialated and her vulva won't be stretchy. Just be aware it'll be a tight fit because she is a maiden doe.
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11/19/08, 07:49 AM
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She miscarried this morning. One painted doeling and a traditional buck.
It looks like she's trying to pass the afterbirth... but she's still acting like she's in labor... should I go in anyway to see if she has anything else in the oven?
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11/19/08, 08:19 AM
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Sorry to hear that. I had one miscarry or late term abortion not to long ago. Not much fun I know. It is sad. I am very sorry to hear that. I am medicating my goats until they deliver because of mine.
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11/19/08, 08:20 AM
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Oh Rach, I am so sorry. Hugs.
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11/19/08, 08:37 AM
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vet came out and gave her antibiotics, a steroid, and something to help her pass the placenta. There weren't any other kids in there... so 2 kids and another hole to dig today. UGH.
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11/19/08, 10:17 AM
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If she was full term It wasn't a miscarriage. Sounds like she couldn't get things arranged right and finally was able to pass them - but it was too late for the kids. Try checking out internally if ligaments are gone for more than 12 hours. A couple days ago the kids probably could have been re-arranged and pulled, and lived.
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11/19/08, 10:48 AM
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She was at least 3 weeks early... wasn't due until the middle of Dec. Poor baby is just miserable in the shed. Fortunately, she does have her sister for company.
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11/19/08, 11:03 AM
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I am so sorry for your loss and hers. What a shame. Hugs to both of you and a treat for her.
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I was a rookie last year. I wasn't even expecting babies....the triplets arrived and winter hadn't yet exited. I suspect the first came quickly and I found him dead outside while inside she was licking off the other two. Then Meadow was behaving strangely but I was such a dummy I didn't realize she was having problems. I came and the head was presented. I called the neighbors and they tried and tried but couldn't deliver him. By the time the vet arrived the baby was dead. He delivered the kid after an epidural. I've learned some and I find comfort knowing that all of you are there for consultation. In the meantime he checked Willow internally and told me he didn't feel a baby (go and enjoy my son's wedding....can you believe I would have missed that willingly to be here to nurture my doe)...low and behold a week later I went to the barn and was surprised with my first little girl...Serendipity....by the doe the vet said wasn't pregnant. What a kidding season that was. What's worse......and I admit I'm a dummy.....I just thought everyone was getting winter fat until the first kids came. Duh.......the buck was only about 6 months old and impregnated everyone. I didn't think he could.
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11/19/08, 07:47 PM
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Not that I am an expert or anything by far but you should check for clymidia or start medicating for it, if you have more expecting. I did not check mine I just started medicating for it because last kidding season all three pygmy nannies late term aborted so I figure They have it. It is not hurting anything medicating not costly either. If it saves the kids it is worth the extra hassle of medicating the food. They say it is easy for goats to get. They can get it from birds and things. I am not takin any chances. Research the internet about it, it might be worth your while.
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11/20/08, 10:22 AM
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We're thinking it's Chlamydia... even though she was vaccinated for it. dsfsadfsdf. So, I'm going to be a very busy bee between burning bedding, bleaching EVERYTHING, and giving injections. Unfortunately, all the older doelings and her sister were in the stall when Whiskey Girl miscarried and we're going to go ahead and treat Scarlet just to be safe. LA200, I have but I can't use it on the doelings or Scarlet. baaaaah.
Poor thing isn't much better this morning. She passed the placenta but this morning she only picked at her breakfast. Her temp was okay but she was shivering [put on a heat lamp and gave her warm water to drink], acting lethargic, and scouring. Just overall looking pretty sad. This has just been a nightmare.
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11/20/08, 12:02 PM
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I hate to add to your troubles, reicheru, but it sounds to me like your doe has milk fever. She needs calcium NOW or you could lose her, too.
Had she been on alfalfa pellets or any other type of calcium-rich feed while pregnant? If not, then this morning's symptoms surely seem to be milk fever. Is she weak in the hindquarters? Low temperature? Lethargic and no appetite? All symptoms that raise a red warning flag to me.
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