Preggers or not? I'm dying here - please look (pics)

[cjb]

Ok, I've had it. Either my does all got fat coincidentally 5 months after being exposed to a Buck for 4 weeks or they're pregnant but only semi-symptomatic. I see bigger but not huge tummies but their exits don't look any different. I'll post pics one doe at a time, although I didn't get exit shots on each.

Any of these goats could be due as early as a week ago and as late as 3 weeks from now or not at all.

Here's the ND doe (FF):




Here's my old doe (8) Carmel. She didn't conceive last year but i saw her bred 156 days ago, squat and all). I know that doesn't mean that she conceived but she is normally flat-sided and she is fat now:

[cjb]

Breaking these up a bit:

This is Herriot (7yo) she looked to be in heat at the beginning of the buck exposure but who knows. She is the widest of them all and is not bagged up tight but has milk.




This is Clementine. She is definitely fatter than usual but not huge. However, she is big bodied and had twins last year without showing much.

[susanne]

now, before you are dying of not knowing, how about drawing some blood and send it to biotracking? cost is only $7 and save you all the headache

[cjb]

Finally - no top view of Daisy but she is wider than she normally is but barely (about the same as the ND at top. Here's an exit shot:

[cjb]

Hey Suzanne, I haven't a clue on how to draw blood and, since its Fall, if any of the does do not deliver, I will just rebreed them.

Did you have any impressions on them? Some of them certainly LOOK pregnant.

[Vicki McGaugh TX Nubians]

Actually it looks like Carmel has been in heat recently

There is no way all your does are bred and none are making udders!

Yes a FF could start udder late like this, but not your older gals.

Can you squat down behind them and take photos from behind that show their udder? Vicki

[cjb]

Ugh! Seriously? She's one of the ones that is way fatter than she was.

So Daisy and Clementine were milking and I dried them out 9 weeks ago. They have udders but they're not full/tight. They look the same as they have since they were dried.

Herriot has been dry for 18 months and is getting milk.

I can do over including the udders. Man, this is frustrating. Watch them all be non pregnant.

[Goat Servant]

Poor CJB these does driving him crazy. Just like human women can do to any rational male!
Heres what ah thinks...keep in mind ah only have 3 seasons experience.
#1 maybe
#2 nah
#3 yes
#4 same doe?
#5 yes
#6 yes
#7 yes

How about some side shots as well? AND interviews with each doe. Or would that be interogations?
"Where were you the night of...did you have any contact with him? Did you inhale???"

[needstoknowmore]

I will claim no responsibilty for my guesses being wrong. And for your sake I hope they are. I don't comprehend the pooch test. But take my guesses off the exit shots only. I could post pictures of bellies of girls that aint bred and have you guess how many. And know that there isn't anything in there. I have seen bellies where you would say, nope ain't nothing in there and they deliver.
So my guesses per exit shots
1. no
2. no
3. mabye
4. cant tell
5. no

Not sure if I missed any or not. But those are my guesses!!!

[cjb]

Ok - you are trying to make me crazy ! lol.

You have 7 answers and I only have 5 does! I put a header above each set of pics so the first two pics are my ND, the 2nd 2 are Carmel and so forth. So, I got all excited when I saw your guesses but canm't figure out who is the 'yes', who is the 'maybe' who is the 'nah' etc. You say #1 yes and #2 - are you looking at the ND top view and saying maybe and her vulva and saying "nah"? Or are you saying that the gold doe looks like a "nah"? That's the one Vicki thought might have been in heat.

I am going to go nuts.

[thaiblue12]

Ok who lives near cjb and can teach him how to draw blood? Or go and feel his goats and look at their privates?
I thought you were going to say " They are not due for another month, and I am going to stop, looking, wondering and etc".
You do know they are trying to drive you crazy and they are winning!

[Alice In TX/MO]

It's worth having the vet come out to draw blood.

[cjb]

lol.

I really don't have that much hair left to pull out, you know..

[cjb]

Well, my own guess by knowing them and being around them is that Herriot is pregnant and so are Clementine and Daisy. I suspect Carmel because she had flat sides and has progressively gotten larger.

I doubt that the ND is because she just doesn't look it to me.

Ah who knows. We'll see in time. I'm out looking at puppies with my son to pass the time. Maybe they'll all deliver while I'm away.

[Vicki McGaugh TX Nubians]

With only 3 weeks left, I would wait for the sound of tiny little voices in the barn When we say that most new folks can't tell when their goats are in heat, and the only way they know they are bred is when they find dried off kids nursing...we aren't picking on you Shoot even those of us at it awhile have the doe who does this to us each year!

Do want to say how nice your does look, well fed even if they aren't bred Vicki

[Minelson]

I think all 7 of them are pregos :banana02:

[cjb]

Well, we'll see won't we

[picklespickles]

you guys really made me laugh. thanks. good luck. now when i feel like an idiot, well, you know. i got company.

[cjb]

Pickles..hmm.. thanks, I guess

Last check of the night and no goo, no babies, no changes at all.

At this point, I will be happy if I get ANYTHING. Of course, I would prefer that my two excellent milkers deliver or I will be so mad at myself for not just milking them through. They were each on their second year and producing alot of milk so to have to rebreed and wait another 5 months will be irritating.

That's what I get for waiting until March to breed - light heats and mystery pregnancies

The good news is, if any of them are still open, it will be pretty easy to breed them in the next month or so. If so, I will probably go back to using a standard sized buck that's up to the job.

BTW: the breeder that I've bought virtually all of my goats from had an Ober Buck get in with her ND doe and breed her. Yikes. The doe had 5 babies and 3 were dead. She said that the surviving buckling is the most beautiful buckling she's ever produced and offered to sell him to me. Hmmm... ober/ND - interesting cross We'll see. I'm not up to having stinko live me us yet.

Thanks for all the help and keep the guessing coming. I should start a pool.

[chris30523]

1 no
2 yes
3 yes
4 no
5 yes
guesses. Just from butts.
I had an Ober buck briefly I was keeping for someone and he got out. I didn't think he got anyone because the doe he was courting was already pregnant. Well I have nubian/boer crosses all over the place this spring long ears all.Except the doe he was courting they are nicely colored but their ears stick up and they act like the one ober doe I have.So take my guesses with a grain of salt.