Dog poo/clumpy poo, why?

[thaiblue12]

Ok I am now hauling water from the house to use since the outside spigots are still not working and straight well water was giving them fan tails. This switch happened as soon as I found out that iron was canceling out the cooper. None of the new girls lost their newly found color but their tails were fanning out.
I have been doing shots, worming and hooves in groups. As soon as I feel like the barn has turned into a sauna I stop.
So this past weekend I did 6 more of them, CD&T 2cc, Ivermectin Horse wormer ( the white paste kind) 3 times their weigh. They graze all darn day and I have no milkweed, cherry trees and etc on the property. Now the ones I did all have clumpy dog poo stools and I have no clue why. It is fairly green colored too. They ignore the grass hay I have and head out each morning I let them out of the barn/pen area.
I have had fecals done and it was worm and egg free. My vet says the climate we live in is not worm friendly and not to overdue the worming and make them more resistant so I limit it to once a year when they are grazing most of the day.
Is it the wormer? Going back to the filtered better water? Or what?

[GoatNamedDunn]

What causes fan tail and what does it look like? My goat's tail hair is pretty long and i sorta looks like a fan.... Dunn the pygmy is also getting clumpy poo! They are drinking well water if that makes any difference?

[RiverPines]

Maybe its the change.
My goats drink well water with no probs and no filtering!!
They also don't get fresh everyday! That's a ridiculous waste, IMO.
Water doesn't go bad overnight or even after a few days.

It just needs to be clean.
Stale can be a prob but stale take awhile depending on weather conditions.

[Wags]

I have one doe that has always tended towards clumpy poo - she will drop a few pellets on occasion followed immediately by clumps. Never have managed to figure out what is causing it. I have read that rich feed can cause clumps.

[gerald77]

i also have one goat with poo like that. they all eat the same stuff and drink the same water and she is the only one like that.

[DQ]

I have one like wags - it seems to be timed with grazing real dewy/wet grass or getting her head in the aflalfa bin for longer than normal. she is more sensitive to changes in feed alos than the others I have ( such as when she steals 1/2 of someone elses dinner). I don't worry about it any more. as soon as the weather dries up for a few days her poo gets back to normal and she has never been worse for the wear. has it been raining where you are?

[thaiblue12]

No rain here in Colorado. When it does it is brief and dries fast. See the parched ground in my pix, lol.
The well water did effect them since it is probably high in iron. I noticed after a couple of weeks of using it unfiltered that they were getting fan tails and the minerals were probably not working as well anymore. I am hoping they do not turn into fish tails and start loosing their newly found color. They were not getting minerals at their old home and that was obvious since my white with light grey girl is now a white with dark grey and some brown. My all white girl is now a cinnamony color and etc.
They get water fresh daily because they drink mostly all of it and I rinse the buckets daily and wash them with soap weekly.

Dunn mine use to have their tail hair all together and now it looks thinner and is fanning out on some. It can spilt down the middle to look like a fish tail. These are signs of lack of copper/minerals. Which mine have, but apparently iron cancels out copper.

A picture of one of the unaffected goat's tail:



One of the affected goat's fan tail:

[Vicki McGaugh TX Nubians]

Can you tell me what Ivermectin your are using what percentage of Ivermectin is it? There are a couple that are more than the 1% we use with the injectable. So if your dose is really heavy with Ivermecin this could be causing the poops. Also is their grain in this poop? That is from a sluggish rumen and too much new grain introduced too quickly.

You won't be able to control your copper with just your water. If they have access to grass and weeds grown in your soil it is also very high in copper, as is any grass hay you purchase grown in your area. You really have to get molassas out of your grain if you haven't already, and get the iron out of the mineral you want your does to eat everyday. Working on your mineral would be much easier than hauling water Vicki

[thaiblue12]

It is Equine Invermectin Paste 1.87%, then it says Anthelmintic and Boticide. It is a white paste and I was told to use 3 times the dose so if that is what is causing it than I will cut back.
There is zero grain in their diet at this time. They have alfalfa pellets, which are not being eaten much nor is the hay. They graze all day except when they get hot then they hang in the shade until one of them decides they are hungry again. When they do get grain, while nursing, in the winter and etc it is 3 way and molasses free.
They do have loose minerals ( grey not red) as well as mineral blocks available to them 24/7. It was when my outside spigot broke and I had to use water straight from the well did I notice fan tails starting. Up till then the minerals were working great and they new ones who were lacking are looking much better and more colorful.
I must have alot of iron in my water since I could smell it when we first moved here. Until we got an addtional whole house filter the water did smell a bit like blood and maybe a hint of sulfur. We did not want to drink it so we got a charcoal filter and it works great. So I would rather haul the water than use it straight anymore for the goats. I did not think it would bug them but it is.

[Vicki McGaugh TX Nubians]

It was the paste. We use 1% ivermectin at 1cc per 30 pounds, you used nearly 2% ivermectin at how many cc per 30 pounds? This is why I don't like pastes or safeguard talk on forums. Someone tells you to triple or double a dose when in fact you need to give less. Or you are giving oodles of carrier drugs which filtered through the liver are harmful even if the orginal reason for giving the wormer, or med...won't work anyway.

We have all dosages for drugs and wormers up on dairygoatinfo.com in goatkeeping101 mostly under saanendoah's old site and under Kaye Whites posts. Please alway double check info you recieve even from vets, before you dose the drugs. I never argue with my vet I just thank her very much and go home and figure out my own dosage and length of use. vicki

[GoatNamedDunn]

I think my goat just has long tail hair. It sticks out more than it is spread out or anything. I think my goats poo is because he is getting more leafy tree branches than normal.

[thaiblue12]

I have no clue how many cc's it was. I used the weight guide on it and dialed it for triple the weight. I have very limited choices on the wormer I can get here. It either has to be horse, or cow and the cow kind is for hundreds of heads per bottle and not very cost effective for worming once a year.
So in the future thank my vet walk away and post here asking if he was right, lol.
I will go and check the dairy goat site and hope I have not overdosed my goats.

[Vicki McGaugh TX Nubians]

You need to order your meds. It's the same place feed stores get their products they then jack up and charge you twice as much. If you aren't a fan of ordering online at jefferspet.com than call 1800 jeffers and ask for a catalog or look online and see if they have one of those ask for a free catalog button. Get the livestock...they also have an equine and pet one also.

Relying on feed stores, TSC and vets is really expensive in the long run.

It's no big deal to use Quest or Zimectrin in paste forms, but you need better dosing info. Put the paste into a syringe with the correct CC's used and then syringe it into the goat. Sure you would have had to use 10's of times over the dosage to kill the goat, but you can see with your own eye how overdosing with Ivermectin hurts the bacteria in the rumen, so you get dog poop, cow poop or diarrhea after using it. Her liver is screaming right now.

Probios if you have it and there are herbs you can use for liver tonics. Vicki

[thaiblue12]

Ok so for my big Nubian wether who does have clumpy dog poo I used the amount for 300 pounds. He weighs more but I did not want to give him more. He got wormed this past weekend.
I just got out a syringe and dialed up 300 pounds an squirted it in, so he got 1and a half cc's of the 1.87% paste.

I hate math: So at 120 pounds he would get 4 cc's of the 1 percent. But instead he got 1 and a half cc's of an almost 2 percent wormer. So I think he is fine and not overdosed.
I tried to find a dosage chart for the paste on dairygoat I did not have much luck and if what Sondra wrote was in English, call me illiterate!

I do not have a TSC, sometimes I am glad for it since they selling things that would tempt me. I go to the Co-Op feed store and some of their things are priced lower than Jeffer's especially when not slapped with that small order fee and shipping.