milk withholding time

steff bugielski · #1 06/19/08, 05:08 AM

I was discussing herbal wormers with a goatie friend the other day and when I said that there is no milk with holding time she seemed stumped. She said she has never dumped milk after giving, Ivomec or dectomax. Now I know that they give a form of Ivomec to humans but I was sure the other had a long with holding time. Any info on what it can do to you if you drink the milk. Is it really harmful or just a preventative measure. I am sure people have wormed then forgot and drank the milk. Any negative results on the humans.

Alice In TX/MO · #2 06/19/08, 05:49 AM

I don't withhold on Ivomec.

Couldn't find any info on the other one, which I haven't used.

steff bugielski · #3 06/19/08, 10:21 AM

on Fiasco farm it says it has a 36 day with hold time. That seems ridiculous.

Alice In TX/MO · #4 06/19/08, 10:54 AM

That's probably the "official" label recommendation.

christie · #5 06/19/08, 11:13 AM

fiasco farms also says she drinks the milk w/ the ivomec w/ no worries, becuase we can take it as humans.

Vicki McGaugh TX Nubians · #6 06/19/08, 06:34 PM

We also take pennicillins, myacins, cyclines...so you don't milk withdrawal them either?

And just because nobody has ran a milk test after using an herbal wormer does not mean that there isn't residue from the wormwood or one of the other potent herbs used in them...in the milk.

"I was discussing herbal wormers ......... there is no milk with holding time.........."

Saying something over and over on the internet does not make it true. Vicki

Concrete Cowboy · #7 06/19/08, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Vicki McGaugh TX Nubians

We also take pennicillins, myacins, cyclines...so you don't milk withdrawal them either?

And just because nobody has ran a milk test after using an herbal wormer does not mean that there isn't residue from the wormwood or one of the other potent herbs used in them...in the milk.

"I was discussing herbal wormers ......... there is no milk with holding time.........."

Saying something over and over on the internet does not make it true. Vicki

So are you aware of a recomended withholding time with Ivomec? The label at my local Farm and Fleet says none has been established.

steff bugielski · #8 06/20/08, 04:59 AM

I am not asking about the safety of the herbs but the safety of drinking the milk after the chemical wormers. I know there is a witholding time for them. She had been drinking the milk after giving decomax without knowing if the milk was safe or not. I was asking if anyone else had drank the milk prior to 36 days and what the health risks were.
We know the wormwood is not safe for pregnant women. The other herbs are safe.

AnnaS · #9 06/20/08, 09:09 AM

There have been many studies on the general safety of the 'mectins. Google "pubmed" and search in their studies. Which is a good way to kill two hours, but I digress...

The issue is not the safety of this drug itself but the $$ concerns of the manufacturer. Ivomec is detectable in milk for many days. To make this "safe" the mfctr. would have to do human trials to show that these levels were completely safe. $$$. Or the manufacturer could say, do not use in dairy cattle and not have to pay for any trials. Or, they could come up with a large molecule 'mectin that does not cross into milk (Eprinex) which is approved for dairy with a 0 day withdrawal.

Some humans carry the same mutation that causes some breeds of dogs to have a toxic reaction to ivermectin. It's possible that a person with this gene could have an adverse reaction to milk with ivermectin. Another reason for the manufacturers to keep it out of the food chain. Lawsuits.

Antibiotics are a different issue, since antibiotics in milk kill off cheese culture bacteria and continual consumption of low levels of antibiotics fosters antibiotic resistant bacteria. Continual consumption of milk with low levels of wormer *could* select for resistant parasites in humans, but that, happily, is not an issue in the US.

To actually answer the question- I use milk from does who have had Ivomec injections. No bad reactions here.

hoofinitnorth · #10 06/20/08, 12:46 PM

Just a nitpicky request, when you guys say "Ivomec", could you please specify the exact chemical you mean? Ivomec is a BRAND NAME and they make several different de-wormers & parasiticides.

THANK YOU!

Vicki McGaugh TX Nubians · #11 06/20/08, 02:12 PM

So are you aware of a recomended withholding time with Ivomec? The label at my local Farm and Fleet says none has been established.
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Yes there are studies on most major class of chemical wormers on goats milk in Goat Medicine...Ivermectin 1% injectable given orally at 1cc per 50 pound is 36 days (I don't have time to look it up but it is either 32 to 36 days around in there).

Vicki

susanne · #12 06/20/08, 03:54 PM

there was a study done in canada about residue in milk. if i remember right, it was still detectable after 45 days. study was done on cows with different metabolism. anybody want to spent the money, can send in milk for testing. i think there is a lab in idahoe that does this kind of testing. in the UK withdrawl time for ivermec/ivomec is 56 days.
just because it is used in third world country, does not make is safe to use in humans. also the human wormer might has a different carrier. every chemical, be it natural or man made, has to be processed by the liver.

all herbals have some effect on the animal or it would be useless.

although natural, it is highly toxic. no medicine, be it natural or man made, should be used without consultation, research, and if used as de-wormers, fecal checks.