Saanen with lump! (Please help!)

sungirl · #1 06/06/08, 01:28 PM

In all my years never have I had a lump on any of our goats. The link I am attaching it is at #1 which says, "check abscess or cud retention."
http://members.psyber.com/macgoats/CLheadSites.gif
What would you do about it? She is now away from the herd (over 100ft.) I feed & milk her last, the vet is coming monday to look at her. I noticed this a few days ago and moved her away right away. (I can not post any photos because, I don't own a digital cam.)

No one has been here and I have not been to any sale barns or farm stores where I could have picked it up at.

Patty.

deafgoatlady · #2 06/06/08, 01:51 PM

U know. I have the SAME problem with my doe. I dont know what it is . I am still looking for the answer. My doe have a lump on U know number 1 or 2. What u posted the website page. I dunno. I hope someone gives u the answer.

ozark_jewels · #3 06/06/08, 02:21 PM

That is a common spot for salivary cyst or a small abcess caused by them biting their cheek or getting a thorn or a sticker stuck in it from the inside. Think about the things that goats eat and its not too surprising.
I just had one of my adult does with a thorn-caused lump on her cheek in the exact same spot.

sungirl · #4 06/06/08, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by ozark_jewels

That is a common spot for salivary cyst or a small abcess caused by them biting their cheek or getting a thorn or a sticker stuck in it from the inside. Think about the things that goats eat and its not too surprising.
I just had one of my adult does with a thorn-caused lump on her cheek in the exact same spot.

What would you do? I tried to open her mouth but she is a sassy doe and wouldn't let me! I was hoping it was just a thorn and not CL. Thanks OJ

Patty.

Vicki McGaugh TX Nubians · #5 06/06/08, 02:36 PM

Number 1 in my herd is nearly always a tooth or abscess about a tooth or molar. Salivary cysts are usually right at the jawline. All goats have tubes that run over the side of the jawline you can feel them on your own jaw and you can feel them on your goats jaw. Right at the point it goes over the jawline is where you have problems with salivary cysts in your goats.

But you did what I would do, have someone more knowledgeable check it out. Tooth abscesses also only burst in, just like with us, they don't come out and burst into the enviornment like it would do if it was CL. The vet can still aspirate fluid and send it in to test for CL.

If your vet isn't a goat vet, then print out info on cornybacterium pseudotuberculosis for him to understand the problems with it and what he is testing for since there is not test for CL at labs he frequently uses. See if they will send the exude to UC Davis. Finding the address for the lab and what they want him to pack it in will also help you get the stuff sent where you want it. Vicki

ozark_jewels · #6 06/06/08, 02:37 PM

In that spot I would just watch it. If it continues to grow and the hair starts thinning on the outside you might have the vet drain it(using all precautions and keeping the doe isolated till the test results come back) and test the pus for your peace of mind. In that spot it should not be CL but its not impossible.
If it is a salivary cyst it may just go away on its own or it may stay the same size for years.
Usually if it is caused by a dirty cut/bite or a thorn, the puss is very stinky and/or watery. You may even find the thing that caused it inside.
CL puss is thick like toothpaste and does not stink.

ozark_jewels · #7 06/06/08, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Vicki McGaugh TX Nubians

Tooth abscesses also only burst in, just like with us, they don't come out and burst into the enviornment like it would do if it was CL.

Yes and abcesses caused by thorns or stickers can also burst to the inside or the outside depending on how and where the cut was originally.
I once opened up an abcess on an old does jawline to find the stinkiest pus imaginable and right in the middle of it a rotting oat hull. Goats.

deafgoatlady · #8 06/06/08, 03:47 PM

OHHH that makes sense now. Becuz she always have that same spot. It seem like she gets it like during the summer time once or twice and goes away for a year then comes back. It didnt spread to other goats. I mean. It looks weird. and She eats great!. The vet said it is not CL. So i was trying to find out why or what. Now that makes sense now. Her hair never falls off. U know. Thanks for the info.. That makes sense now..

sungirl · #9 06/07/08, 09:12 AM

Well the vet came early. He opened her mouth & pulled a thorn out. He took a sample of what was in it to the lab to make sure it isn't CL. (I don't mind the cost.)

So all is well again! Thanks alot vicki, emily.

Patty.

crazygoatgal · #10 06/07/08, 09:18 AM

Thank God, literally! You must be so relieved, but your poor . I guess she will feel better now though.

sungirl · #11 06/09/08, 10:38 AM

The test results are in, (It was very fast this time! It helps to know the vet as a friend

) She is NEG for CL and the puss/water inside was just from a salivary cyst. After the vet pulled the thorn the lump was gone the next morning.

Thanks Again.

Patty.

deafgoatlady · #12 06/09/08, 10:43 AM

WOW. That is great news..

sungirl · #13 06/09/08, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by deafgoatlady

WOW. That is great news..

Thanks!

Best of luck with your doe also.

Patty.