Cl question

[christie]

Okay I am buying these goats From people that when I mentioned that I wanted to test for Cl and cae, they mentioned they never heard of cl. So I explained it to them some. I was surprised because this site talks of it so much.
Then I made a vet appt to get them tested, and the receptionist said she never heard of cl either,though she said the vet would test for it. She wants me to call the vet Monday to talk to the vet about cl, and other stuff I want done on exam day.

Then I found a well known dairy breeder in our area and talked to her today. I told her my plans of testing for cae/ and cl. She said Cae good, But what is Cl?

So my question is is Cl just not that common here in CT?
Everyone can't be that ignorant to it??
I am afraid to bring these goats home and people are looking at me like Ivre lost my marbles when I start talking incurable abcesses, Contaminates the ground for 7 yrs, ect...

So should I bother testing for it? Or maybe testing only 1 out of the 3??
Thanks in advance!

[ozark_jewels]

Of the two diseases(CAE and CL), CL is by far the worst, in my opinion. So I say yes, test. Especially if your a newbie and you don't know what to look for.
Lots of people don't know about CL, and if they do, they just call it abcesses. It is possible you are in an area where it is less common, but that doesn't mean its not there.

[Alice In TX/MO]

Christi,
Where are you located?

Rose

[christie]

Im in CT.
No dought that it is probaly here, but maybe not that common.

[sgian]

Maybe they are not used to the acronym? My vet always refers to it by the full name, which I can never remember except that it has a part in that sounds like lymph. Or maybe goats and sheep are new to the area?

[Togg Lovers]

Most of the locals here say it's not important. And to top it off they act offened if you ask about testing when you want to purchase from them. In our experiences here we have learned that those who scoff at it usually have it in their herd and don't won't anyone to know. I would wait and see what the vet says. For all you know he knows exactly what you are wanting and why.

[sgian]

You are already ahead of where I was when I started with goats. I wish I had known about CL and CAE when I started. Now I'm in a situation where my only adult billy possibly has CL, and he needs to be quarantined for the next 2 weeks or so until the results come in. He's been around the other goats enough that if he has it, then my entire herd might have it too. I could be wiped out. Even if he is the only one, I still will need to figure out what to do with the pasture he is in now if the abscess bursts.

It might be worth it to test the entire herd than to risk losing them all.

[mygoat]

A lot of people don't know about any of the 'big three' as I call them. CL, CAE, or Johne's.

Why? People don't educate themselves. Generally people learn all they know from the person they get their goats from - if their tutor doesn't know, they don't learn it. They then believe they know all that is needed about goats and don't continue learning about them if they don't run into any problems. Vets don't know crap about goats so they aren't any help.

And this is the reason I don't like 4-H... before my first ever show, one of the daughters of the supervisors was assisting me in learning how shows go and whatnot. Well, she asked me what the most common disease in goats was... I said there is no extraordinarily common disease. She said no, it's abscesses... I said like CL? And to which she responded "What's that? Abscesses are most common in nubians and boers".... To which after she said that I continued to educate her about CL, which her and NONE of the supervisors had EVER heard about. After 25 years of them raising goats, and being supervisors for several...

To say the least, I quit 4-h. I felt I was actually reversing my learning capabilities by staying in. eek.