Worming the goat herd???

MTplainsman · #1 05/31/08, 10:55 AM

Sure this question's been asked many times on here, but I need to ask it for myself... What wormer and how is it given for your goats? Our county vet doesn't deal with small animals as much as cattle, so I don't know if he'll give me the proper advice on worming my goats. What do you folks suggest? Thanks! Joel

Zone · #2 05/31/08, 11:25 AM

I just wormed my herd with Ivomec Plus injectable (Given orally) 1cc/50lbs.

anita_fc · #3 05/31/08, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Zone

I just wormed my herd with Ivomec Plus injectable (Given orally) 1cc/50lbs.

That's what my mentor recommended to me also.

Vicki McGaugh TX Nubians · #4 05/31/08, 05:00 PM

I sugest you run a fecal and see what wormer you are dealing with. We only use Ivermectin plus when we treat for liverflukes and lungworm when the girls are heavy bred, with it's milk withdrawal we don't use it, plus Ivermectin has alot of resistance to most of the other worms we need it to work on. Ivermectin Plus unless you are going after specifically liverflukes is really hard on your goats livers to use it if you are not...the only difference between the plus and regular is the flukicide in it so use the regular if you can still use Ivermectin.

If you aren't going to run a fecal than get the Cydectin cattle pour on and use it orally at 1cc per 22 pounds. Little resistance to it yet...although with the folks pouring it on or giving it injected there will be

Vicki

ozark_jewels · #5 05/31/08, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Vicki McGaugh TX Nubians

I sugest you run a fecal and see what wormer you are dealing with. We only use Ivermectin plus when we treat for liverflukes and lungworm when the girls are heavy bred, with it's milk withdrawal we don't use it, plus Ivermectin has alot of resistance to most of the other worms we need it to work on. Ivermectin Plus unless you are going after specifically liverflukes is really hard on your goats livers to use it if you are not...the only difference between the plus and regular is the flukicide in it so use the regular if you can still use Ivermectin.

If you aren't going to run a fecal than get the Cydectin cattle pour on and use it orally at 1cc per 22 pounds. Little resistance to it yet...although with the folks pouring it on or giving it injected there will be

Vicki

Yep, she said it.

Christiaan · #6 05/31/08, 11:05 PM

Definitely do a fecal flotation to see if they need worming. The big problem in the south with resistant goats and worms was greatly speeded along by worming animals that didn't need it.

MTplainsman · #7 06/01/08, 08:28 AM

Whats a fecal test cost? I have to be careful not to tie up to much money in these goats right now.

mpillow · #8 06/01/08, 08:45 AM

$15....for fecal

I use Ivermectin horse paste (on a piece of bread) If the goat weighs 100# give it a 200# dose....repeat in 10 days.....I worm prior to breeding, day of kidding and around the 4th of July.....and any other time I suspect the goat(s) are under stress...

Jeffers online is where I get stuff cheap for the goats.

LaManchaPaul · #9 06/01/08, 08:55 AM

Wow, mpillow. I've attended seminars where the Ph.D.'s say that over-use of wormers creates evolved worms with immunity to the poison.

It sounds similar to the way a virus changes and adapts. They say that we have only a few different types of poison to use, so we should use them wisely; that we should use them only on the goat in need, never on a routine nor total herd basis. Paul:

topside1 · #10 06/01/08, 09:16 AM

Joel, I also use Cydectin pour on (orally). Twice a year, once in early August a few weeks before breeding season begins. The second worming happens the day that the doe give birth. A lot of this depends on the amount of land you own and the amount of range they have to graze/browse. I have 20 usable acres, and only 8 goats and a handful of calves so by rotating pastures my worm build up should be minimal...Works for me...

mpillow · #11 06/01/08, 09:30 AM

Many goat people I know are worming much more frequent than that....every 6 weeks for a local meat goat keeper is the most frequent that I'm aware of.

I'd rather feed a goat than feed worms and I've found this to be ideal for my situation...I tried herbal wormers and was dissappointed....and for 7 years I've only used the horse paste with good results. I have quite a few goats(12-25 adults and babies) on a smallish area(1/2 acre pasture plus tie outs in the lawn) with calves,pig and chickens amongst them...my pasture may be short but they never eat it down to dirt...

Its also cheaper to worm them vs. having a fecal done between the charge and the gas...I don't call the vet anymore....it costs more for them to drive in my dooryard then what I have into the goat....

It is what it is....putting them down is sometimes a necessary evil.

ozark_jewels · #12 06/01/08, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by topside1

Joel, I also use Cydectin pour on (orally). Twice a year, once in early August a few weeks before breeding season begins. The second worming happens the day that the doe give birth. A lot of this depends on the amount of land you own and the amount of range they have to graze/browse. I have 20 usable acres, and only 8 goats and a handful of calves so by rotating pastures my worm build up should be minimal...Works for me...

Same here for adult goats. This does not include kids who get wormed a bit more often until they are 1 year old.

MTplainsman · #13 06/01/08, 10:58 AM

I don't think I have to worry about building resistance to parasecticides with these wethers I have now. Few od them may be around long enough for that to happen, since they of course are not breeding stock.

I would be more comfortable to just give them a worming regardless of how advanced thier infestation maybe, to start them out fresh.

I have large amounts of Vetrimec (Ivermectin) pou-on and Eprinex (Eprinomectin) pour-on on hand right now. Can I make any of these work for my goats?