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Beautiful FF udder
48 hours after kidding
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05/26/08, 05:17 PM
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Not THAT's the kind of picture they should use for the "Got Milk?" ads!
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05/26/08, 09:09 PM
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Nice!
My FF has such little teats you can barely milk her.
((maybe I am having a jealous moment here...)) 
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05/26/08, 09:19 PM
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That is a very nice FF udder. Blends so nicely in the fore I am a bit jealous!
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05/27/08, 07:35 AM
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That is lovely; just lovely.
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Rose, got to say that's one good looking FF, Congrats....TJ
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I have 2 like that this year (I got them last year as bottle babies from vancom ).
Just as supple as can be. Last year's experience with another ff was horrible-(a bad purchase--so worth the lesson, though)-I was/am ecstatic about these girls.
Don't ya just love milk goats? If you raise them correctly from the start-it really pays off and it feels great to see the fruit of your labor.
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That is a NICE udder! What breed is she? Are you milking her out or is she dam raising her kids? How much milk are you getting if you're milking her out?
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05/27/08, 01:00 PM
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Because I think forums are about learning and breeding goats is about improvment....your doe will be a very milky doe, but her attachments won't be able to hold up all that milk as she matures over the years and milks even more. If you look at the rear udder photo the fullness of her udder (across) instead of being high up and protected by the thighs, even at this young age the fullness of her udder is low (towards the bottom) You can see that her whole udder is hanging out of her body, rather than tucked up high inside the body like 1/3 inside the body. On the foreudder picture you can see that her fore udder attachment doesn't connect into the belly, it clefts and connects straight up, this won't hold it stable. Keep her milked out regularly so as not strain the attachements more. Try to breed her to a buck with better attachements all the way around.
If you placed your hand under her udder and pushed it up, you can plainly see how far up it could go between her legs, this isn't something you could do with a doe whose udder is up where it is supposed to be. Vicki
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05/27/08, 01:59 PM
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Vicki, I'm glad you said that.... all of that. I am SO new at this, but my worry antennae had gone up over the way it seemed to be separate from her body.
It's pretty, but basketball like, eh?
Her babies are Boer/Nubian cross doelings, not really destined for the milk string.
With only three milking does, the sire situation for the next generation is often "what can we find to breed to??"
I'm on the list to get one of Yarrow's Nubian bucklings in mid summer. Hope she has enough that I get one. That will help for 2009. Dunno what we are going to do for fall breeding this year.
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Rose we all wish for basketballs But with almost half of it hidden up inside the body. Make sure the bucklings mom you are buying has better attachments than your doe, then you only have to pray the genes line up Vicki
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http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c3...w/100_0052.jpg
Hey critique mine! She is a FF as 3yo...I have 3 does with the same breeding parents with the same look to the jugs...sorry just one pic and she is only about 4 hrs after milking in photo
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Vicki McGaugh TX Nubians
Because I think forums are about learning and breeding goats is about improvment....your doe will be a very milky doe, but her attachments won't be able to hold up all that milk as she matures over the years and milks even more. If you look at the rear udder photo the fullness of her udder (across) instead of being high up and protected by the thighs, even at this young age the fullness of her udder is low (towards the bottom) You can see that her whole udder is hanging out of her body, rather than tucked up high inside the body like 1/3 inside the body. On the foreudder picture you can see that her fore udder attachment doesn't connect into the belly, it clefts and connects straight up, this won't hold it stable. Keep her milked out regularly so as not strain the attachements more. Try to breed her to a buck with better attachements all the way around.
If you placed your hand under her udder and pushed it up, you can plainly see how far up it could go between her legs, this isn't something you could do with a doe whose udder is up where it is supposed to be. Vicki
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Agree absolutely and this is a doe I bred. But just as a background on this doe.....Her udder is a definate improvement all around over her dam's, so in my opinion it was a breeding that worked. If she milks like her mother you should be very pleased. Her sire was very milky and all his kids are giving more than their dams. It needs improvement, Rose, but its nothing to be ashamed of either. Not a show doe, but a decent milk doe. She looks like she is easy to milk. As Vicki said, just breed for improvement........always.
Nehi, this doe is Lalaith's niece.
Thanks for the pictures, Rose.
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05/27/08, 02:55 PM
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Mpillow go look at the other thread that just started about photos. You can see clearly how bad the fore udder on your doe is compared to that doe. Not only because there is no milk in your does foreudder but because there is no attachment. See how in Roses photo there is some milk in the foreudder, but both you and hers does attach straight up into the belly. The other photo the udder flows forward into the belly, more milk and more attachment. When you do is older she will have to large jugs hanging down This is not to say they won't be good milkers, just more prone to injury and mastitis. It's what improveing livestock is all about, breeding to a buck who has a doe with much better everything than you have already. Vicki
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05/27/08, 03:20 PM
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Emily, yes she is easy to milk. We took about a quart last night because she was SO FULL! The babies are nursing and looking great, and we figured she would be O.K. with us taking a bit to take the pressure off and to sample.
Her milk is like half and half! Yummy on my breakfast cereal.
If Yarrow reads this, maybe she will post a pic of the dams who are to kid this summer.
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Looks like alot of milk in there! Rose you have a very sweet spirit! I am just trying learning about this all and I am really glad you posted! Thanks!
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My alpines seem to have more of the udder up in their body than the Nubians, but the teats on the alpines are tiny....those udders also appear to be less giggly when the doe is walking running....
My husband describes them as "stacked" like implants or "saggy" like old woman boobs....He doesn't milk though so has no clue about teat length and hand milking!
Our new buck's mom had better attachment and the H shape so hopefully we will see improvement...I did keep a doe between this buck and the stacked alpine but she hasn't been bred yet. The teat length was good (despite the alpine's ). We shall see in time! He is a Jesta Farm offspring with Frosty Marvin in his lines....
Here's the alpine's jugs and she was 9yo in the pic....bred 6-7 times her udder was "tougher" in texture but still "perky" after 9 years!
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c3...llow/FgotM.jpg
Thanks for the help....now if only I didn't live so far away from good stock!
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If Yarrow reads this, maybe she will post a pic of the dams who are to kid this summer.
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hmmm. I had to look to see if I even had any udder pictures of the girls. It's not something I ever thought about taking pictures of & posting .. but.. I found a few pics of Shirley from last year's kidding season. She is one of the does due in July. She is also one of my only does that has gotten to raise her own kids. I normally pull everyone, but she is such a *soccer mom* with her kids. (I will be pulling upcoming kids. I don't like July kids. Didn't plan on July kids. Had company back a few months ago. Looked out the window and saw that the girls had helped Morrie break out.. Thought.. ahhh.. no big deal, no one is in heat.. WRONG. next morning four of the five does in that barn...had, had more then just a sleep over ... any way..
here's Shirley in the pics she was a 4th freshener. year 1(big single buck) year2 (triplets, raised without supplementing) year 3 (twin does) year 4(triplets again, I pulled one, she raised the other two)
again, not the best pictures. but I was taking baby pics, not udder pics.
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05/27/08, 06:39 PM
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couldn't really find a good fore udder shot, but you can see it's not hanging.
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