What would a nigerian boar cross look like?

Kittikity · #1 05/03/08, 03:53 AM

Yes, yes, I know it'll look like a goat.. But here's my dilema: I want to get both a dairy goat and a meat goat.. I want a nigerian doe because of the small size.. (I only have an acre for them so want to keep the size and number of goats to a minimum.) Then a nigerian buck to breed her with and a wether for his companion.. Then I figured I'd need a boar doe for the meat.. But I don't want to have to keep a boar buck to breed her with.. And breeding her with the nigerian buck would be more convenient then to take her somewhere else to breed her.. Let alone the fear of her contracting something from somebody else's livestock.. But would a nigerian/boar make a good meat goat?

Scrounger · #2 05/03/08, 05:39 AM

I dunno.
I have crossed a LaMuncher with a Boer and came up with twins. One Looks like a full-blood Boer and her sister looks like a Full-blood LaMuncher (except for her long ears...). The "Boer" sister is even stocky and has a good Boer build. Her sister is built just like her mom (LaMuncher).

Anyway, you MIGHT not end up with a "cross" you might just end up with an odd colored milk goat look-a-like....

hornless · #3 05/03/08, 08:04 AM

Well Lamanchas are full sized goats, with a Nigerian since they are so small there will be less meat. However, if the Boer doe you choose is good quality, the kids should easily have enough meat on them.

As for the Nigerian doe, be sure to get her from a reputable breeder. Too many times, people buy a Nigerian from a random breeder who nobody has heard of, and end up with poor quality goats with tiny orifices and very small amounts of milk.

sungirl · #4 05/03/08, 09:25 AM

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I only have an acre for them so want to keep the size and number of goats to a minimum

Have you thought of Saanens? (I would say Nubians but don't know what you think of them.) I have bred Saanens for years and their wethers can really pack on the pounds of meat. IMO you would be better off to keep 1 doe & 1 buck. (When I first started out all I had was a small barn & paddock. I made it so the doe & buck could see each other inside & out. They were fine & I had no unplanned kids from it.)
Just me but I am not a big fan of minis. I have "tried" the Boer X mini once. I was keeping a friends mini buck when she was out of town. The darn thing bred my best doe! The kids were small and took after the mini. I sent them to a sale barn so I could get rid of them.

So if you want to try it go ahead

If it works for you good.

Freeholder · #5 05/03/08, 09:54 AM

If you don't mind smaller amounts of meat at a time (which can be an advantage if you are short on freezer space), go ahead and just keep a couple extra Nigerian does, and raise the kids for meat. Or, get Kinders -- they aren't quite as small as Nigies, but they are good milkers, prolific, fast-growing, and good small meat animals. On only one acre, you are much better off only trying to keep one breed of goat. That's the situation I'm in here, with only one acre. Because I want to also use my goats for packing, I now have full-sized goats (mostly Oberhasli, with a little Boer in my doe and wether), but I started with Kinders and really liked them, they just weren't going to work as packers.

Kathleen

CountryHaven · #6 05/03/08, 10:01 AM

why not get a pygmy doe? More meat, small enough to 'fit' into your nigerian herd... a full sized boer doe is a big animal.

ALLRKIDS · #7 05/03/08, 10:30 AM

We crossed Boer does with a Nigerian buck and the babies are very sweet tempered. They both looked like mini Boers with multi colored faces. Absolutely adorable.

Kittikity · #8 05/03/08, 10:35 AM

Well, another reason I was going to go with nigerians and boers was because they seem to be the two most common in the area.. There are some saanens but they would really produce much more milk then I could ever use.. I only need maybe one or two quarts a day.. Kinders sound perfect since they're dual purpose, but I can't seem to find ANY in Florida..

SignofWater · #9 05/03/08, 10:54 AM

Kittikity,

A Pygmy is a duel puropse animal ( dairy & meat ). Using a Boer doe, she can weigh in 100 to 200 lbs. She will be to tall for your little guy. Unless you A.I. her, with his semen. ( LOL.. or bulid him a platform ) However pygmies have some good meat ratio, not as much as a Boer, Kiko , Spanish etc.
Have you ever try searching on those yahoo group forums? They have sale forums for all areas. Just a thought.

Cheryl

RiverPines · #10 05/03/08, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by SignofWater

Kittikity,

A Pygmy is a duel puropse animal ( dairy & meat ). Using a Boer doe, she can weigh in 100 to 200 lbs. She will be to tall for your little guy. Unless you A.I. her, with his semen. ( LOL.. or bulid him a platform ) However pygmies have some good meat ratio, not as much as a Boer, Kiko , Spanish etc.
Have you ever try searching on those yahoo group forums? They have sale forums for all areas. Just a thought.

Cheryl

Actually size doesn't matter. The male has his penis high enough on the belly and its very, very long! I have had my dwarf buck accidentally get my Boer girl and he was only 1 yr old, small as heck, and she is full sized! I didn't think they could reach either!! They can and do reach.
The kids are due in a month.

Kittikity · #11 05/03/08, 12:09 PM

Maybe I'll start my own kinder herd.. I don't understand why there aren't any in Florida since there are plenty of nubians and pygmies..

Mrs. Jo · #12 05/03/08, 12:42 PM

Try putting an add in a big newspaper for kinders and see what you'll get. I bet there are kinders in Florida, they just don't advertise.

Anyway, a Kinder would be great for what you want. They have an excellent amount of meat on them. There are several breeders in Missourri I doubt I'd bother trying a crossbreed of boer/nigerians. If you don't know your lines you could just get into a mess. You can eat any goat, so if you happen to like a breed of dairy goat, then go with what you like.

Another option is just to go with nigerians and let some moms raise bucks for you to butcher. You can get a good bit of meat of of some milk raised buck kids. After you butcher the kids just milk the moms. ND's are efficient feed users that don't require a whole lot of room.

Or maybe just go with boers and keep one for a milk goat.

Purebreds are always easier to sell than crosses too, so keep that in mind.

Kittikity · #13 05/03/08, 12:58 PM

Now isn't that ironic.. My husband is from Missouri..

sungirl · #14 05/03/08, 01:57 PM

If you can use the milk of a Saanen (I sell it to horse breeders.) Then a Nubian may work for you. Our old place in Maine only had 1 acre and I had over 12 goats on it. Now we live in QC Canada again and love the 80 acres we own.

But if your heart is set on a mini breed get production records before you buy. Nothing worse then spending over $200 on an animal who can hardly feed 1 kid.

Kittikity · #15 05/03/08, 02:10 PM

I've found somebody here in the same county that has nubians, alpines, and pygmies.. She has nubian/alpine crosses listed on her website but not nubian/pygmies.. I've emailed her to ask if she ever does this cross or if she might know where I can look.. Hopefully she'll be able to help me..