Help!

dunroven · #1 02/23/08, 05:18 PM

My little goat with the yellow, watery diarrhea, now has just a touch of blood mixed in with it. She still seems to be up and moving and has been eating. Her tummy is full. Mom feeds her. I gave her just a little bit of yogurt to try to help with some good cultures. What else can I do. It has to be homeopathic, cause I don't have a vet around me that I can call. Would this possibly be some worms? I have ivermectin and strongid if it is.

waygr00vy · #2 02/23/08, 05:56 PM

It would not be worms if the kid is only 3 days old. Sorry I can't help you more..hopefully someone else will be able to...

Alice In TX/MO · #3 02/23/08, 06:27 PM

Are you over feeding her?

dunroven · #4 02/23/08, 06:54 PM

Mom is feeding her. I'm not, so no.

A'sta at Hofstead · #5 02/23/08, 07:22 PM

I hope it works itself out. I had two bottle babies last spring and one had yellow squirts. She got through it, I hope yours does too. The blood is scary.

susanne · #6 02/23/08, 07:24 PM

could be e-coli infection. can you take her temperature?

Alice In TX/MO · #7 02/23/08, 07:56 PM

Is she being overfed? <Sigh.>

Read this link:
http://dairygoatinfo.com/index.php?topic=32.0

Vicki McGaugh TX Nubians · #8 02/23/08, 07:56 PM

You don't need a vet to get the basic medicines you may need for kidding season problems like this.

Iodine to dip navels and feet. Or spray like I do.
A sulfa for prevention of cocci and bacterial scours (hopefully what this kid has so it is not contagious to the rest of your kid crop).
Biosol for ecoli (likely what is going on in your kid).
Spectinomycin (to help orally treat this diarrhea and blood).
200 mg tetracycline
300,000 unit pennicillin
Vaccines, and if you get a diagnosis of ecoli in your kid, you will want to vaccinate for it for next year. Vicki

dunroven · #9 02/23/08, 09:10 PM

Vicki,

I'm not able to find the medicines you are talking about in here without having to go through a vet or a human doctor. Are you ordering these from some website somewhere that does not require a prescription? I'd love to know where if you are. I do have the bottle of penicillin. We got that for the calves when we had them but they have been gone now since October. The baby got a CD/T shot and a BoSe shot right after birth, and the only Iodine I can get around here is the (don't have the bottle right here), but the human kind, which is very low percentage, but I did get it anyway.

Anyway, please remember, I live in a very rural area with none of the big stores around that a lot of you seem to have. I mean our closest Wal-Mart is 21 miles away, and again, the vets won't dispense these medicines without looking at the animals, and they don't want to look at goats. They are learning, slowly, but they will not, at this point, take it very seriously.

goatkid · #10 02/23/08, 10:15 PM

I'm not sure from your post what part of Iowa you're from, but I used to live there and remember seeing feed stores such as Fleet Farm. They sell most of the meds Vicki refers to. Sulfa - either liquid Sulmet or Albon. Biosol is sold in feed stores for cattle. Spectinomycin is the pig pump sold as Specto Gard or Spectam Scour Halt. I'm sure the Iowa feed stores carry that as hogs are a big industry there. 200 mg tetracycline sold in feed stores as Biomycin or LA200. Both PennG pennicillin and vaccines are sold in the coolers at feed stores. The Iodine is now sold as Triodine. I, too, have to travel a bit to get supplies - the closest feed store is 30 miles away. Actually, Iowa has some good sources for goat care. There is a vet school at ISU in Ames. If you can't get away from home much, you can order goat supplies from places like Jeffers, Caprine Supply and Hoeggers. They all have websites. Good luck with your baby.

Alice In TX/MO · #11 02/23/08, 10:18 PM

Our local independent feed store carries those meds. Small town. Only feed store.

Cat · #12 02/23/08, 10:30 PM

Plenty of places online to get most of these.

http://www.caprinesupply.com/
http://www.pipevet.com/
http://www.midstateswoolgrowers.com/catalog.asp

Those are the ones I use.

NYSaanen · #13 02/24/08, 12:37 AM

Can't be sure what started the scouring, but consider this.

Once a kid starts to scour, it is irritating to the intestinal linings. Once the linings are irritated, the next thing that disturbs the linings is the lactic acid contained in the milk itself. If it is a simple case of scours, you can get Lac-taid pills, probably at the pharmacy or grocery store. These are for folks that are lactose intolerant. If you can milk the doe, then crush one pill and add it to the bottle of milk, then feed it back to the kid, it will greatly reduce the irritation. A couple of days of this often clears up a simpler case of scours.

Trey · #14 02/24/08, 07:38 AM

In IA
TSC (tractor Supply), Boomgards, Orschliens, will all carry the meds you need to have on hand.

dunroven · #15 02/24/08, 09:02 PM

Bomgaars is in our area and no, they carry next to nothing in supplies like these. I have a hard time finding wormer for my horse there and we have to order rabbit food! There are 4 of their stores that we can go to within a 40 mile radius, and none of them will carry the same stuff on any one day. The other stores you mentioned are not in our area.

I thought if I could find some online sources I would do that. I googled the tetracycline and the spectinomycin last night, and all I got was pills for the tetracycline for human consuption and spectinomycin to help with gonorrhea in humans!

Thanks for the links Cat, I appreciate that.

Trey, where in southwest Iowa do you live?

By the way, I gave the baby some yogurt last night. The blood is gone, the poop is more formed, and the baby is playing and jumping around everywhere. I have named her Wanderer.

Thanks for the help with this issue everyone. I want to get all of that medicine together for the next kidding season!

christij · #16 02/24/08, 09:17 PM

I hope the little one is on the mend!

goatkid · #17 02/25/08, 12:44 AM

You can get both the tetracycline (listed under antibiotics) and the spectinomyacin (listed as Spectam Scour Halt in the swine supply dept.) from www.westernranchsupply.com

Trey · #18 02/25/08, 06:48 AM

Dunroven, I am in the SW corner bout 50 miles south of Omaha, about 30 miles from MO.
Did you look in the cattle section at Boomgards? Strange they wouldn't have basic supplies for livestock, especially since they carry it here. And I thought Tractor Supply was everywhere! You can order all of these online at Jeffers, you need to google livestock supplies, not the names of the meds. Glad the baby is doing better!

dunroven · #19 02/25/08, 07:03 AM

Yeah, I did look there, not particularly for these medications but for my ivermectin when I got that. They did have that. The one closest to us does not even have a refrigerated section and they have about a 4 foot wide shelf with all of the critter medicine on it. Now that includes cat and dog wormers, hairball treatment, etc. So you can see, there really is not much in that store. One of them has a refrigerator but it is almost totally empty. I did look for tetracycline one time and was not able to find it any of the 4 stores we have around.

This store that is closest has mostly automotive and power tools as well as some clothes, kitchen items, gardening supplies and paint. They do have a large section of critter food, and a big selection of mineral blocks and horse equipment, harnesses, halters, lead chains, that sort of thing. No Tractor's supply is nowhere around here. Orschlen's is in most places if you go south of I-80 and east of I-35. There might be a TSC in Fort Dodge, but that's over 70 miles away, so we don't go there very often.

Well, anyway, she is doing better. Still a little diarrhea, but today I'm going to give her more yogurt and a little bit of pepto and see if we can't clear that up. She's VERY active and playful. I have to get more pictures.