Alpine Breeders HELP!

[HazyDay]

Now I know why God made me blonde!

How can you tell wether your Alpine is an American Alpine or French Alpine??? Now if I have this right, it should mean that the French's bloodline will trace back to one of the first few papered Alpines right? And the American is an Alpine who was graded up?? (Here we would call them Canadians = 50% - 75% - 87.5% - 93.8% - Canadian.)

I should really have stayed with the Nubians!

[HazyDay]

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[Blossomgapfarm]

Hazy, I think you are right but I am no expert. Someone who shows and works with bloodlines should be able to answer your question soon.

[mygoat]

I believe an american alpine (or any american, for that matter) is 15/16. A purebred is of the original line, never outcrossed. Most american alpines have oberhalsi blood. AT least, that's what I hear.

It should say right on the papers wether the goat is purebred or american. Otherwise, there is no real way to tell.

[HazyDay]

Ok, I was just wondering what to put on the papers. I think everyone calls them French Alpines, but these kids will be recorded grade Alpines. I will just have to pay a visit to the bucks owners and ask her Thanks Dona

[goatkid]

I don't know how it works in Canada, but in ADGA we have grade Alpines (ones that are either registered native on appearance or have an unregistered parent or grandparent), American Alpines (ones that are 7/8 or more Alpine you know they are American by their papers) and Purebred Alpines (these goats are all Alpine back to their European ancestry). Here, they are called Purebred, rather than French Alpines on their papers.

[mygoat]

Ahhh, 7/8. I knew it was some weird fraction... LOL

[chamoisee]

French Alpines are born to parents who are both descended solely from the original imports. French/purebred Alpines will have registration numbers which start with A followed by a string of numbers. American Alpines have a grade doe or a doe of another breed (possibly purebred) or there was a glitch somewhere or a lapse in papering or transferrence of paperwork. In other words, at some point, the paperwork cannot be followed all the way back for whatever reason. There could be but is not necessarily a grade doe in the background. American Alpines have registration numbers that begin with AA followed by a string of numbers.

It is the same with the other breeds, except for LaManchas.
AS= American Saanen, whereas just S would be purebred, etc etc.

[hoofinitnorth]

This is a great question! When I first started asking about Alpines, I was told by several locals (that have Alpines, no less!) that if it's in America, it's automatically an American Alpine, regardless of ancestry or birthplace! I thought, that can't be right! Can it?

[xoxoGOATSxoxo]

Hey, Im sorry that this is off the subject, but I figured since the Alpine breeders were all on one thread and the original issue seemed cleared up.....

Somebody told me that Swiss Alpines were Oberhaslis. I never heard of a Swiss Alpine anyway, so I thought "well sure". Is this true?
Again, sorry HazyDay/Alex....

[HazyDay]

Obers used to be called Swiss Alpines. Do you have storey's guide to raising dairy goats?? It has all the info on when they started calling them Obers.

I don't know if the CGS has that way of letters for Alpines. I know when it is a Grade it is like this :

GN838545 = Grade Nubian.

So anyways, I guess I will just have to call the CGS office and ask.

[hoofinitnorth]

Since it was stated twice here that all the American breeds follow the same way for registry, just wanted to clarify that NDs are a little different. They have to be purebred to be registered in ADGA but the breed is relatively new to ADGA. AGS has registered them for years and if you go back far enough, just about every American-registered ND has some committee registered animals as their foundation. ND pedigrees, for this reason, are often difficult to build back past a few generations.