Should I or Shouldnt I do that????

[deafgoatlady]

I need your advice. Becuz I am still at loss over my buck... There is some questions. Thank u so much..,


1) Should I or Shouldnt I ask MIL to pay for the vet's bill becuz the buck was over there for 4 or 5 days???

2) Should I or Shouldnt I GIVE my girls antibotic becuz they are pregnant??? I am worried about them the most becuz my buck used to sleep together and stuff like that BEFORE he being transferred to MIL' house....


Thank u so much. That is all I think I need for now. Thanks...

[deafgoatlady]

Anyone??? Becuz everyone keep saying that I should do that . But I dont want to cause problems.. Let me know. Thanks..

[dosthouhavemilk]

1) Did you have any type of agreement with your MIL?
How important is your relationship with your MIL? Is it worth pushing the matter if it will destroy the relationship?

2) What antibiotics and why?

[fishhead]

I wouldn't and I wouldn't.

[RiverPines]

I agree with the post above and whats wrong with the buck?
Does your MIL have sick animals?

Are the girls showing symptoms of anything?

I dont drug with even an anti-biotic unless I have no choice like death is looming near.

[yarrow]

1) no way would I risk a family feud....so no to billing the MIL
2) if they aren't sick/running a fever... no
susie, mo ozarks

[deafgoatlady]

Okay. I told my mother in law many times that not feed my buck with alfalfa hay and I said I will bring my own hay. She said NO.. I was like okay.. Then 3 days or 4 days later Moneky went down hill and died on Friday nite that we had to put him down.. And Matt is upset and think that his mom should pay the vet bill becuz We told her many time what to do and I always helped her with her goats for years and she wont do it for us.. It just upsetting...I asked everyone included my family. They said well i would have her to pay the vet bill becuz it is more common sense what if someone else let her borrow their buck and all of sudden the buck got ill and died.. U know.. That is why I have hard time.. The buck DO NOT have Rabies. Thank goodness.. He got listerosis... And I am just worried about my other goats being pegnant..

[deafgoatlady]

I forgot to add that MIL and I are not close at all. Her and I dont get along very well. Anyway... I told her that she have to take care of it and NOT her little kids. But she didnt take care of it. She broke my advice that I told her about my buck becuz I know him and she dont know him.. U know what I mean..

[Steffiej]

If she refused any of the advice you gave her, she's probably not going to pay the bill even if you ask her to.

[deafgoatlady]

U know what it is surpising that my hubby already asked her just now. She said okay she will pay for it. I am surprised.. Oh okay..

[Oldntimes]

Please no offense, but you should not ask others how you should handle your family business, that should be kept private.... Asking advice on how to deal with another breeder is one thing but Family disputs....well most people wont even touch that one........ .JMO

[deafgoatlady]

I know oldtimes.. It just hard decision that I have never done before with goats issues.. So That is why I am wondering what do u all do with the goats if something happens.. U know what I mean.. It just hard to figure out. I have never let anyone loan my buck only MIL. U know.

[cowgirlracer]

It sounds like you guys did just what I was going to suggest - have your husband tell his mother. If you get another buck, and decide to "share" him again, maybe her girls should come to your place?

I am very glad to hear that Monkey did not have rabies. I wish I could offer some advice on Listerosis - maybe some more experienced memebers have some advice.

Good luck & Hugs,
Anne

[deafgoatlady]

Thank u Anne... I dont know if I will share my buck with.. If she begs me then I will tell her to please bring her girls over here. Becuz I dont want to lose anything like that again. It just too much.. U know. but thanks..

[coso]

"Okay. I told my mother in law many times that not feed my buck with alfalfa hay and I said I will bring my own hay."

So you think your MIL alfalfa hay killed your buck? If you don't get along with her why would you let her borrow him in the first place? Did any of her goats get sick with listeriosis ? Did the vet treat for listeriosis ?

[deafgoatlady]

coso, my buck is dead... And um I did told her about my buck this year becuz this year i did not feed my goats alfalfa. So I told her it was a big change for him and u locked him in outside while it is freezing rain and everything.. U know that listerosis is not wide herd break... The reason why I let her have my buck . It is becuz I have to for my hubby. That is why I told my hubby NO MORE! I am not doing things for her anymore. It is just too much. I have been helping her for years. And still it didnt work out at all like my hubby wanted. I told him many times. And now he realize that I am right and it is not worth to waste my time for her... Took him that long to figure out. But that is OKAY...

[coso]

"U know that listerosis is not wide herd break"




Cooperative Extension
The Pennsylvania State University, University Park,
Pennsylvania 16802
FAX (814) 863-6140

VETERINARY SCIENCE INFORMATION

LISTERIOSIS
(Circling Disease or Listerellosis)

Listeriosis is a bacterial infection usually of the brain.
Listeriosis is common in ruminants, pigs, dogs, and cats, some wild
animals, and humans. Animals infected with Listeria can show
clinical signs of abortions or nervous system disorders.

Listeria moncytogenes is the specific bacterium known to cause
listeriosis. This bacterium can live almost anywhere--in soil,
manure piles, and grass. Listeria thrives in aerobic conditions
where the pH is 5.4 or higher. It doesn't do well in very acid
conditions. Therefore, the top layers of silage or improperly
preserved silage may harbor large numbers of organisms. The
increased use of trench silos has been correlated with increased
numbers of listeriosis cases among cattle. Because of this, it is
important to make sure that silage is tightly packed to ensure
proper fermentation. Wet bales of hay may also harbor the
bacteria.

OCCURRENCE: Healthy animals are not usually affected by Listeria.
Cattle with lowered resistance to disease on a high silage diet are
prime candidates for listeriosis. Sheep and goats are even more
susceptible to this disease. Up to 30 percent of a sheep flock may
be affected in an outbreak.

CLINICAL SIGNS: The first signs of the disease in cattle are
fever, depression, and loss of appetite. Although not seen in every
case, the most notable symptom gives this disease its nickname,
"Circling Disease." Cattle with listeriosis are often seen walking
in circles. Other, more subtle symptoms include uncoordinated
movements, leaning against objects, and progressive paralysis.
Death can occur within 2 to 3 days after the onset of symptoms, but
cattle can survive for up to 2 weeks with the disease.

Although the dam may not show signs of listeriosis, she may
abort. Cattle are most likely to abort during the last 2 months of
their pregnancy. For sheep and goats, abortions often take place at
12 weeks or later. Retained placentas may follow abortions in sheep
and cattle.

TREATMENT: Recognition of symptoms is important for successful
treatment. Most animals will recover if treated with a broad
spectrum antibiotic started early. Diseased cattle should be
separated from healthy cattle and placed on a prolonged therapy
program In flocks of valuable sheep, it may be advantageous to
treat the whole flock. Vaccines are not available in the U.S.

PUBLIC HEALTH CONCERNS: Listeria monocytogenes may affect humans
as well as animals. It primarily affects people whose immune or
disease-fighting system is not working properly. Groups of people
especially susceptible are the very young (e.g. newborns) and the
very old, as well as pregnant women. In these people, Listeria may
cause infant deaths, meningitis or spontaneous abortions.

Many people may be exposed to Listeria, but do not become ill.
Some of these people have been found to shed the bacteria in their
stools.

Prior to the 1980s, listeriosis in humans was relatively rare.
It was not reportable to public health officials until 1986.
Several outbreaks in the 1980s created more interest in this
disease. Outbreaks have been associated with a number of different
food items, such as cole slaw, soft cheese, shellfish, and milk.

The bacterium has been also identified in a number of
ready-to-eat foods. However, these products have yet to be
associated with illness. The USDA checks meat and poultry products
for Listeria, and for public protection, the FDA will recall any
food products contaminated with Listeria

Most human cases of Listeria occur in urban areas where there
is little contact with farm animals. However, farm workers should
take precautions when handling aborted fetuses and animals sick
with listeriosis. People who work with food-producing animals can
be exposed to Listeria from aborted fetuses or diseased animals.
Milk should be pasteurized before consumption. Meat from animals
showing signs of disease should not be eaten.


Issued in furtherance of Cooperative Extension Work, Acts of
Congress May 8 and June 30, 1914, in cooperation with the U.S.
Department of Agriculture and the Pennsylvania Legislature. L.F.
Hood, Director of Cooperative Extension, The Pennsylvania State
University.

[deafgoatlady]

Coso... Actually Listerosis is NOT always about herd wide problem.. You can look the other thread that I post it last weekend... There is the website.. Help Now.. My Buck Is Not So Good...



You are more welcome to read it.. Thanks..