doe had 3, 1 is not able to use legs.

maryanne · #1 12/09/07, 06:52 AM

2 are good, walking-- eating,etc.. the other one holds his back legs behind him, like superman and (tries) to walk on his front knees, he tries to make his back legs work too, they move but not bend.. he is lively,other wise healthy . what do I need to do with this buck?? if the answer is to cull, just tell me, I can take it!!!!.

BlueHeronFarm · #2 12/09/07, 07:01 AM

Are they brand new? Sometimes it takes them a few days to get their feet solidly under them. I wouldn't give up yet. With trips and quads, they spent a lot of time with their legs crammed up under them in utero. I think that's why this happens sometimes. Help him get up on all 4 as you can and see if he gets any better.

maryanne · #3 12/09/07, 07:07 AM

born yesterday

maryanne · #4 12/09/07, 07:08 AM

you think they need a bo-se shot?

BlueHeronFarm · #5 12/09/07, 07:18 AM

I would think it couldn't hurt. I don't know about Selenium levels where you are, but if you have it, yeah-- I guess I might try it.

Trey · #6 12/09/07, 07:32 AM

go ahead and give them all so me bo-se just to be safe. Does he have feeling in his back half (pinch his lower rear leg, does he try to pull his leg away, and are his back legs the same temp as the front ones?). Was the delivery assissted? He may have injured is spine during delivery, or he may just need a few days to get uncramped. I assume you are helping him nurse, move his legs and stretch them both directions, hold him up so he can move them (if he can) in a walking manner. I have heard of some people splinting them,someone will probably come on soon with some other ideas, in the meantime, you have to let us know if he has any nerve response in his rear.

moonspinner · #7 12/09/07, 08:30 AM

Definitely get him a BoSe asap. I've had a couple kids whose legs were really bad. But they began to improve by the second day and I've never had one that didn't recover completely. What I did also was to get them on a board to help them get their legs under them better.

christij · #8 12/09/07, 08:58 AM

Last year, my triplet BoerX the two bucklings had trouble getting up. By the next day King was fine --- what kind of ground is he trying to stand on? (Maybe he's having a hard time getting traction.) The third she wouldn't take so I ended up bottle feeding him and all was fine.

maryanne · #9 12/09/07, 09:25 AM

he has feeling in his rear, the birth was quick, unassisted my me,I do help him nurse, I do stand him up and hold his hind quarters, he tries but his legs seem like a half full water balloon. the temp in the back legs are slightly cooler than the front.... To be honest I do not know about selenium in my area,I always buy the sweetlix mineral block and replenish it as soon as it all is eaten.. terrible I know....This is the first birth of triplets I have ever had born here and the first baby to do this. mom is rejecting him and another one by nudging them away and walking off when they attempt to feed, ....and 1, the large one, she feeds, talks too, etc..I held her and let "no feet" and the other one nurse earlier.as i have done since yesterday and will continue to do as needed ,,of course..

maryanne · #10 12/09/07, 09:26 AM

oh, the ground he is on is dirt and hay .

maryanne · #11 12/09/07, 09:27 AM

can you only get BoSe at a vet?

BlueHeronFarm · #12 12/09/07, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by maryanne

he has feeling in his rear, the birth was quick, unassisted my me,I do help him nurse, I do stand him up and hold his hind quarters, he tries but his legs seem like a half full water balloon. the temp in the back legs are slightly cooler than the front.... To be honest I do not know about selenium in my area,I always buy the sweetlix mineral block and replenish it as soon as it all is eaten.. terrible I know....This is the first birth of triplets I have ever had born here and the first baby to do this. mom is rejecting him and another one by nudging them away and walking off when they attempt to feed, ....and 1, the large one, she feeds, talks too, etc..I held her and let "no feet" and the other one nurse earlier.as i have done since yesterday and will continue to do as needed ,,of course..

Well, either way, the Bo/Se should be fine. Many people do it routinely for all kids.

We named our little guy "Wiggle Foot" -- He ended up just fine. I'll bet "No feet" does, too.

maryanne · #13 12/09/07, 09:33 AM

okay,thanks! I will keep you posted

goatkid · #14 12/09/07, 10:04 AM

I had to get my BoSe from the vet. I never let any of my does raise more that two kids at a time, so when I get a kid like the one you describe, I pull it and bottle feed it. I give the BoSe and work with the baby. They alway have been able to stand and walk by a few days old.

collegeboundgal · #15 12/09/07, 12:27 PM

If the doe still rejects this and the other kid, contact a local dairy farm (cow) and ask if they would be willing to sell you milk to feed them. (Don’t pay more than you would for store milk!) You can't always be their to force the momma to let the kids nurse and after awhile, the kid's wont take to a bottle. Or you could milk momma. my suggestion, pull the kids now and start milking her or the one kid she has taken to will soon grow enough that he's drinking almost all the milk leaving none for the other two. I concur with the bo-se. white muscle disease (aka Floppy Kid Syndrome) is scary.

-Melissa

GSFarm · #16 12/09/07, 02:08 PM

I agree get some Selenium into him fast. you'll see him improve very quickly! Congrats on the new babies

michael1 · #17 12/09/07, 02:22 PM

I had a doe give us quads a couple of years ago. One kid was unable to use his rear legs for about 3 days. When he was able to get up I thought I'd have to cull because one of his rear legs was bent the wrong way. He progressivly got better and was perfectly normal after a few weeks.

Vicki McGaugh TX Nubians · #18 12/09/07, 04:23 PM

Multiples will show you your management. What this third kid is telling you is that there wasn't enough of something in the diet for the dam and all 3 kids. So one kid didn't get enough, and is weak in the rear, she can also have problems sucking, or even die of heart failure, all white muscle disease from selenium or lack of vitamin E nutritional muscular destrophy. Use 300 IU capsules of vitamin E from wallmart, snip the end and squish into her mouth once a day until she is better. If you do not bolster your dams with selenium before they kid, this tells you you need to. Also giving E to kids at birth and selenium injected (vet script).

It could also tell you your not doing enough with your mineral program. Or enough green to eat, where your does get their E. Enough calcium in the diet for a doe having triplets? Vicki

mary,tx · #19 12/09/07, 04:35 PM

When I had one like that, I brought him in and just put him in a laundry basket for the first day or two. I stood him up several times a day until he got strong enough to do it on his own and bottle fed him. In a couple of days, he was fine with no other special treatment.
mary

Goat Servant · #20 12/09/07, 04:39 PM

If you have bottle fed this kid with milk other than from its own dam it could also be an additional reason she is not letting it nurse.
As for forcing the dam I have done this with one doe who rejected the smallest kid. (trips both times) This yr she tried to do the same thing. So I held her. Within a week that doe would see me coming & be sure to stand for that kid. Incidentally said dam has two teats. Her sister has four and is a better mother.