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Old 10/04/07, 01:19 PM
 
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What else should I do? (sick doe)

I have a doe that is off feed since this morning and she doesn't feel good. She isn't down yet. She had a fever of 106. We think she may be bloated. She was fine yesterday. She is 7 months old and has always been very healthy. No change in feed--has been on the same pasture for months. Weighs about 70 pounds. No sign of runny poo-though someone in her pen has some clumping don't know who-maybe her.

What we have done so far:

We wormed her (cydectin)
gave 1/4 c veg oil
dose probios

Should I give her a shot of Bose? We have access to a pretty wide variety of meds so any ideas on what would help would be appreciated.

This is my favorite doe, I do not want to lose this one--help please.

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You want to get cdt antitoxin . Get it now . I have to look up the dosages but you will give some by injectin and some orally. I will try to get the info.


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Thanks to Sondra on dairygoatinfo.com and hopefully she does not mind me cross posting. Once again we are not Vets and can only tell you what we do . You have to make the decission yourself on what you should do .

Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 4:51 am Post subject: CD/ ANTITOXIN dosage~Sondra

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I personally use 9 cc each side giving alternate sides at 3 cc ea time and then 6 or 9 cc orally this is a total of 18 cc injected SQ and 6 or 9 cc orally
This also may need to be done every 4 hrs. REMEMBER the antitoxin will not hurt the goat and may just save it's life better to error on too much in this one instance.
DO NOT use this rule of thumb for other medications or vitamins!!!!!
This is from the manufacture.
CLOSTRIDIUM PERFRINGENS
TYPES C&D ANTITOXIN
Equine Origin
Order # 13701 50 ml
Order # 13703 250 ml

INDICATIONS:
For use as an aid in the temporary prevention or treatment of Clostridial enterotoxemia in cattle, sheep, and goats caused by types B,C, and D toxin and in swine when caused by type C. Type D is not known to cause disease in swine and type B is not a significant problem in North America .

Contains phenol and thimerosal as preservatives.

DIRECTIONS:
Store at 2° to 7° C. Do not freeze. Shake well before use. Use entire contents when first opened. Do not vaccinate within 21 days before slaughter.

PRECAUTIONS:
Anaphylactoid reaction may occur following administration of products of this nature. If noted, administer adrenalin or equivalent.

DOSAGE AND ADMINISTRATION:
For prevention lasting approximately 3 weeks, the following doses should be administered subcutaneously:

Suckling Lambs, Goats and Pigs
5 ml

Suckling Calves, Feeder Lambs & Pigs
10 ml

Feeder Calves and Cattle
25 ml

For treatment, double the preventative dose.


A more rapid effect can be achieved by intravenous administration, with repeat dosages as often as 12 hour intervals.

FOR VETERINARY USE ONLY
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it says to double the dose for treatment, and you gave 10cc which is double the goat dose.
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I would think the high temp may indicate an infection and require antibiotics.
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We don't have any cd antitoxin, I have some that will be here tomorrow, but that isn't doing me any good now. Is there anything else I can do between now and then?
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i could give large does vit c to boost immune system. bo-se would be god as well.
do you have a good vet? if that is your favored animal , it would e vet time now.
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Tractor supply carrys it . Tomorrow may be to late . Call around to all the feed stores and Vet how about other goat owners?

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How is she ?


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It sounded like she have infection somewhere. I would get antibotic (naxcal) It is good antibotic. And get some banamine OR children's motrin to reduce the fever.. Get her some vit. b complex shot too... IF you think she is bloating. I would suggest u make her WALK WALK OR bounce her like a colic baby. It will help. did u feed ur goats with baking soda as free choice? It will help reduce the bloaty. Good Luck! How is she doing..
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PEPTO. It likely will not harm her in the least and will coat her rumen. I will include article on it at the bottom of this post.

If she has bloat, would her temp. be that high? What about with enterotoximia? Has she been vaccinated with CD&T? Even if so, I'd get her the C&D Anti-toxin ASAP for entero. Again, very low chance of hurting her if that's not what it is.

For bloat you can also give simethicone (you can get the infant drops at the store but that really should be given ASAP (same with pepto but doing it later again won't hurt her). There is also Bloat Release and Bloat Pac you can use but I have no knowledge of their value in these situations.

Have you talked to a vet?

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This is an article written and posted by Sue Reith:

_Importance of using Pepto Bismol for treatment in Bloat Situations_
*by Sue Reith*

The use of Pepto Bismol is routine treatment for goats in bloat
situations, particularly when it's caused by grain overload. That's
because grain overload sets up a severe acidosis in goats, and the
acidosis quickly damages the linings of intestines (not to mention pH
balance in the brain, which is one reason we using baking soda as
well!). The intestinal walls' reaction to acidosis is to protect
themselves by forming a protective mucoid coating, that slimy stuff
being the basis of diarrhea. If not reversed (by way of protecting the
walls from the acidosis with something like Pepto Bismol), the diarrhea
will continue, the walls will have to produce more and more mucous, and
before long the intestinal walls will sustain severe damage.

Probably the most compelling reason of all for using Pepto Bismol to
protect the intestinal walls in a bloat situation is that Clostridium
perfringens organisms (the ones that cause Enterotoxemia, which is
secondary to many problems such as bloat) live normally in the goat's
gut. That's not a problem unless the gut gets stopped up and those
intestinal walls become acid-damaged, which allows the rapidly
developing Enterotoxemia toxins to pass freely thru them into the
abdominal cavity, where they shut down the body's functions. It's not a
comfortable way to die.

So liberal use of Pepto Bismol to protect the intestinal walls
from acidosis damage is a primary step that should routinely be taken in
bloat situations. Fecal matter can then pass normally thru the gut,
continuing to carry the clostridial organisms out of the body via a
healthy, undamaged digestive tract.

There is no limit to the amount of Pepto Bismol we can give in these
situations, in small doses and repeated often, and that can be easily
understood if we just stop to imagine the length of the intestines in
that goat belly, and the small amount of Pepto Bismol in each syringe
full. Keep in mind that 5cc is a mere teaspoon of fluid (surprising as
this may seem!), thus one 12cc syringe of Pepto Bismol holds only 2 1/2
teaspoons full of liquid, not capable of coating a whole lot of intestine.

Addendum: This is also why we use Pepto Bismol in preventing/fixing FKS
(Floppy KId Syndrome), which also involves severe acidosis.

Sue Reith
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Old 10/05/07, 12:51 PM
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fever indicates INFECTION

A fever of 106 indicates your doe has some sort of infection.

At the very least use what you have on hand, hopefully some sort of Penicillin.. give it to her EVERY day for the next 5 days... I will get the dosing for you... but you cannot just give it one time it HAS to be 5 consecutive days.. Naxcel is typically for respiratory infections, you will want some PenG or LA200 or a generic Oxytet type of Pen...

also Banamine to reduce that fever or children's motrin/ aspirin

and get her isolated, stop feeding grain and only offer good grass hay and leafy materials, stuff that's easy to digest

you didn't mention if she's changed feeds recently or had access to too much grain

Where are you located? Are your goats on browse or just hay and grain?

you definitely want to aleviate the bloat ASAP

but first things get that fever down and get some antibiotics into her

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TennesseeMama, how is she doing? I hope you are seeing some improvement.
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Old 10/05/07, 03:06 PM
 
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I just got home.

I talked with my vet yesterday afternoon and she told me to give her Penn g and baytril, vitamins and bo-se (that is what I had on hand). She is much better today-she is not bloated any more and is browsing. She did have a funky green/yellow thick vaginal discharge this morning--I am thinking maybe a uterine infection? She has never been in contact with a buck and would never have thought it could be uterus related. It still might not be??

What do you think I should do/continue to do.

I gave 3 cc penn
3cc Baytril
1.5 cc bose
1.5 cc vit b

Thanks for all your help and concern--this place is great.

I did get the cd antitoxin today and I am thinking it isn't needed now. (right?)
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Glad to hear she's improving. The antitoxin won't hurt even if it isn't needed.

What's her weight?
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About 70-75 lbs
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Oh I'm so glad to hear she's better! Here's to continued improvement!
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