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Old 09/28/07, 05:56 PM
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How do you decide which goatlings to keep and which to get rid of?

I just found out that the family we bought the two does from won 1st and 2nd in the state fair for 2 other doeling born the same time as ours. It looks like from her website that ours was for sale from the get go. She has lovely color and temperment. She seems to look very similar to the ones they kept and they are half sisters (same father)

So how do you tell when they are so young if it is something you want to keep or get rid of?

Anyone know when the National show is?
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Old 09/28/07, 06:06 PM
 
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Oh gosh, it's soooo hard. Babies are always hard to tell if they will go one way or another but if they start with good foundations, you pretty much know where to look for improvements or faults. You really have to know the parents and the siblings (if there are any) to the breedings to know early on unless you have years and years and years of training and looking at goats.

I know a baby goat I like when I see it but I can't always point to what it is that I like about it that I don't see in others. Sometimes I pick one others don't like as much and it later blossoms into something wonderful. Other times I pick ones that turn out to be duds (at least to others). Lucky me, I could live vicariously and not do the picking with my pocketbook!

With your own goats, you always hope to improve upon the parents. So in theory, if you do that, ever few years you'll be selling off some of your senior stock (unless you have oodles of space and dough to support them). It's hard though, so many people get attached to their goats, at all ages, especially if something traumatic or nearly traumatic happened along the line. Decisions with small breeders often come about as a necessity - not enough space to keep them all.

Remember too that every person has what they like and don't like in a goat. We think we have some basics on what makes a good goat, as far as conformation and udder structure, etc., but personality plays a lot into it for me and every judge in every show will be different. Sometimes the same judge will judge the same goats in the same weekend and place them differently from show to show too!

For national shows, are you thinking about ADGA, AGS, something else?
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Old 09/28/07, 07:17 PM
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I go on how good her mothers udder is and back though her lines. I kept a doe only because I needed a doe to show. Im kicking myself now since I really don't like they way her udder is going.

I know alot of breeders only keep kids from parents who have good classication scores (Not sure what you call it.) The problem with shows is that you could be at the Nations, and a doe who is the crapest animal on the earth. So classications judge you with the breedstanded.
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Old 09/28/07, 10:15 PM
 
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I freshen my proven does in March and use their daughters to fill my keeper pen. I freshen my first fresheners in April, which means I can only keep a few standouts daughters. So I have to sell the rest. So the first sale is very simply pen space.

Goatlings are culled for extra teats, poor mouths, poor ears. Any genetic fault and frailness, I will not do heroic measures of any kind to save an infant or anyone elses. Then the sale (cull here is usually kill although extra teats and ears do go to a local dairy unregistered) becomes harder, length of bone (cannon and rib), width throughout, upstandingness (higher head)...all things being even you are kept if you are black I like to keep most of my proven lines to freshen my own daughters, I want my bucks to have several daughters freshen here for the first time so I can evaluate udder, without blaming something in my mind about a purchasers management that could have effected her if she freshens at another persons place.

My largest conformation cull is first fresheners udders (35 points out of 100 is udder) about 6 weeks after they kid, they are sold as family milkers if they can't swing the show and milkstring at the same time. Nice is when appraisal (Canada's classification) hits at this time so fresh eyes can give me their opinion also. If a first freshener is sold as a family milker, her daughters don't stay no matter how cute they are. Vicki
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Old 09/29/07, 08:38 AM
 
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Young kids are so difficult to gauge as they can dramatically improve or regress as they mature. I find it particularly tough on bucks who don't show you the whole picture sometimes til they're past two. I have a 2 yr old sire who just rapidly put on incredible depth a couple months ago. Of course with does the name of the game is udder and you can hope their rear width and open high escutcheon will produce a bangup udder. I look for good teat placement and size even at a young age, though who knows how they will develop. Basics like strong straight legs, good pasterns, etc should be there even in a youngster, though again, I've seen forelegs go from awful to excellent.
For me, I judge a kid on the strength of bloodline and does it seem to have the traits I want in my goats. I, for instance love a long neck, long body, good rear angulation and more refined appearance in my NDs. A pretty head is nice too!
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