Critique My Buck Please

[fcnubian]

I'm looking for an HONEST critique on my buck. Please keep from saying just that he's ugly or not buck worthy ect ect. If you dont think he's a good buck that is fine, state WHY you think that, what on him MAKES you think he's not buck worthy.

Please list the good and bad.

Here's his information.
RW Cedrics Blazing Storm ADGA Reg Purebred Nubian. He was born April 2007
His pedigree.
D: RW Dess-a-belle
DS: RW Break For Smoothie AI LA 2-6EEE 90
DD: Starcrosst Denices Dessaree
S: Jesta Farm Show Time Cedric
SS: Jesta Farm Time To Strike *B
SD: SG Jesta Farm Sun Show 6*M

OK the pictures!

Side Views-



Front View-


Rear View- I couldn't get him to stand for this pic...its the best I could do.


Here he was trying to walk away...Until he realized he was tied.

[susanne]

the ears on him are looking nice.
i would like to see longer body. let him grow more and get kids from him.
much easier to evaluate him when he is bigger.

this is my buckling barbosa, same age as your buck. he just has his tongue out, no mouth fault.

[Jim S.]

He looks all right as a herd buck to me; you didn't say you were gonna show him. He's so young I can't really fault him on stuff yet because he has not grown enough. After a year, conformation will start to settle down. Nice scrotum! Unsplit, too! They're doing studies trying to correlate scrotum size and shape to bag development in does. Never hurts to keep in mind they THINK there's a relationship.

[Blossomgapfarm]

Jim, why is unsplit a good thing?

[fcnubian]

the ears on him are looking nice.
i would like to see longer body. let him grow more and get kids from him.
much easier to evaluate him when he is bigger.

Thanks His ears are huge compared to my does...I cant wait to see kids out of him & my does. He's acting bucky...Talking peeing on himself. Attempting to mount ect ect. So hopefully next heat cycle we can get them bred!

btw-Nice lookin buckling

He looks all right as a herd buck to me; you didn't say you were gonna show him. He's so young I can't really fault him on stuff yet because he has not grown enough. After a year, conformation will start to settle down. Nice scrotum! Unsplit, too! They're doing studies trying to correlate scrotum size and shape to bag development in does. Never hurts to keep in mind they THINK there's a relationship.

Hmm What is unsplit? Lol. I never heard of it.....

Also he is used on my show does. And I have heard about the studies they are doing...Very interesting...

Thanks!

[susanne]

i see mine bucky too. zipper down all the time

if you look at his scrotum, it looks rounded at the bottom, or, no medial

some say that this would also influence teat placement and medial in the offspring. the appraiser i had this year said, if they had brother born, they would always keep the one with more pronounced scrotum half's.
on the other hand some say, it could hinder his fertility

[HazyDay]

It seems that my post never went in!!!

Good buck to me!

1.Perfect ears! (check!)
2.Good Roman Nose (check!)
3. Nice udder room (another Check!)

He gets 3 checks from me! Got any of his dams udder (qusetion mark!)

(SORRY KEY-BORAD TROUBLE!)

[fcnubian]

Originally Posted by susanne

i see mine bucky too. zipper down all the time

if you look at his scrotum, it looks rounded at the bottom, or, no medial

some say that this would also influence teat placement and medial in the offspring. the appraiser i had this year said, if they had brother born, they would always keep the one with more pronounced scrotum half's.
on the other hand some say, it could hinder his fertility

Thanks for explaining it.

[Vicki McGaugh TX Nubians]

His Dam: RW Dess-a-belle

His Sires Dam: SG Jesta Farm Sun Show 6*M



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You get the same answer He has two ears, two teats and is conformationally sound, as he should be or he shouldn't carry paperwork. Now lets see the photos of his dam and if you have them his sires dam.

Making decisions in your herd on what your buck looks like is not a good decision, especially when you show. Although apparisers appraise bucks, and give you information on choosing bucks with higher apparisal scores...ask them how they pick bucks to breed to. They would not pick a buckling to use on their herd because he is well put together if his dam and sire's dam wasn't excellent themselves.

A buckling critique has to come with that first, especially when you are talking shows.

He is a nice buck. His slope of rump, which then leads right down into posty legs, is not desirable, but you could look at him in a month and he could be better. He does have excellent feet and legs. His topline is weak in the loin and high in the crops, but once again in a couple of months he will have lost his baby fat, came into rut,leaned out and may be much flatter. Vicki

[southerngurl]

He does have excellent feet and legs.

Could you expand? What should we look for in feet and legs.

[LMonty]

I'd love to hear that too, Vickie! I took pics of my buck yesterday, not as nice pics as the first posters-and once I figure out how to get them in here, would love some critique also. It's such a good way to learn! I can read breed standards until my eyeballs bleed, but until I'm actually looking at an animal and someone says what the faults are, I just don't see them.

OK, I just tried posting the pics without luck- is there a secret I gotta admit I read the FAQ< Tried putting the file location in the IMG thing, but no luck...

[fcnubian]

If you want email your pics to me fcnubians2006@aol.com I'll post them for you.

[Vicki McGaugh TX Nubians]

Look at his bottom leg bone on the front leg, this is his cannon bone, see how it is just as long as the leg bone above it? Alot of Nubians have really short cannon bones and very long upper leg bones, he is very well balanced, he also likely comes from a tall bloodline. Long bone patterns like this is usually seen throughout an animal, so although we can't feel how long his ribs are, or really see in bucks that long dairy neck, this leg bone does tell us that his family somewhere has very good to EX length of bone. He has wonderful medium to short straight pasterns (ankles) from his hoof to his dewclaws, see how straight they are?

His rear leg could use some more incurving, he is somewhat posty (up and down) than ideal, and in the rear photo you can see his hocks (the pointy elbows) on his legs point in a little too much even though his legs are straight.

I bet if he was apparised he would get an EX in body capacity. He has a verygood head, but look at Susannes buck, he has an EX head because his ears are set on his head correctly, this buck has a highset to his ears...and before you say you don't milk the ears remember we are breeding a breed of goat with characterisits of pendulous ears...and her buck can likely pick up his ears with control where they are attached. A biggy no, but I love ex heads. Susanne's buck also has a better rear leg angle that you can clearly see in the photo. It's hard to do photos!

Get the ADGA lineral appraisal book it's cheap and shows you photos of good ideal and gross Vicki

[southerngurl]

Thanks for the info, I see it now!

Why are straight pasterns in goats good? In horses it's undesirable.

[fcnubian]

Thanks for the info.

Could you please explain Posty? I am not sure what you mean by that.

Thanks

[susanne]

posty means that between lower and upper leg bone are straight (like a post)
ideally, there would be an inside angle of about 150 degree between upper and lower leg bone.
i will see if i can scan the picture from the LA booklet and will post a picture tomorrow.

[fcnubian]

Ok thankyou for explaining it.

Here's a link to his Sire and Dam... Now On the dam, the owner held her udder to show what it'd look like full. She had forgotten about me coming to get him and taking pics and milked her out that morning. So her teats arent extremely small and weird, and that doe is a first time freshener.

http://fcnubian.tripod.com/id35.html

[LMonty]

Thanks, fcnubians! I just sent the pics. They arent very good shots, so may not be too useful for this, I'll get better later. He's a January baby.
Sire: Endless Prairie OS Moonshadow
Dam: Nut Farms Nubians Nevada
Pics of the sire and on www.beaverdamgoats.com

[susanne]

this is a picture from the LA booklet from ADGA.
it explains very good how the ideal leg angle should look like.

[fcnubian]

Thanks for posting that picture. It really helps.