what to breed her with???

[HazyDay]

I know most have does like these! Emily has 2 very good does!

She is 1/2 Alpine (Not 100% sure what her dam was!) 1/4 Saanen 1/4 Nubian (She gets the very milky genes from the Saanen and the great show genes from Merlin her Grand Sire,the Nubian)

Here's is some pictures I planned on breeding her with an Alpine, but if her ears are to long then I can always use my nubian buck. It's just 4-h they hate NUBIANS!!!! I Know they are only good if handled or put in the right hands!!!!! :baby04:

But if she has a better chance of giving a kid that looks like a Nubian I wouldn't mind. (She is very milky I know this from letting some one try to milk her and she gave alot of water/milky stuff! She was only 1 year then!!!)

REMEMBER SHE WAS MY FIRST KID SO I COULDN'T USE ANY OTHER BUCKS, SINCE I KNEW NO ONE AROUND US THAT HAD GOATS!!!!! SO SHE IS MY LITTLE PROJECT!!!!

[pookshollow]

You're just worried about the ears, right? Go ahead and breed her to an Alpine - you should get "normal" upright ears. I think if you bred her to a Nubian, you'd get airplane ears.

I have a 3/4 Nubian/1/4 Alpine doe - I've bred her to a Saanen two years running. Last year's kid has what I would call "puppy-dog" ears, this year's kids have/had (buckling was butchered) airplane ears. This year she's going to be bred to a Boer buck.

[cjb]

I agree. My experience (limited) experience is that 1/2 or more nubian gives you the nube ears. Seems like it mostly goes away with < 1/2.

[HazyDay]

But to me she has airplane ears! But hey all the alpines I see are very very very well bred and never would a such doe but in their herd if the ears diddn't go RIGHT STRIGHT UP!!!

Im just looking to take her to a show and have them look alpine. Plus every one wants Nubian and Alpine does around here so anything that looks right will sell quick!!!

Plus if she doesn't milk to what I want I would sell her and keep the kid.

[Vicki McGaugh TX Nubians]

Even in recorded grade, or should I say to ethically register goats they have to conform to a breed standard. There is no breed standard for airplane ears, so unless she is experimental, coming from purebred Swiss and purebred or american Nubian, she is unrecordable. Her kids will have to have their ears fixed, either Alpine or Nubian and have correct erect or pendulous ears to register the offspring to show them. Well unless you are just talking 4H local county type shows with no paperwork. Why not go LaMancha? With the herd books still open, and LaMancha's easily taking ears off first generation, you could have purebred Lamancha's rather than american in just a few generations. Vicki

[pookshollow]

Those aren't airplane ears - these are airplane ears!

[southerngurl]

Whoa... now what do you mean about the lamanchas? The books are still open? So what makes one purebred or not? Is it the same as american, you have to breed pure to lamanchas a certain amount of generations before they are "pure" again or what?

[Vicki McGaugh TX Nubians]

Yes, LaMancha's allow bred up does, from grade, to american to Purebred. You have to breed the does to purebred or American bucks intially, but then the buck would have to be purebred to make the last step into purebred. The doe's daughters and granddaughters etc., of course have to have correct ear and face to make the next gereration of bred up does, otherwise that generation stays the same...so for some you have grade to purebred in 4 generations others take more time. Vicki

[Feral Nature]

Vicki, have you heard any discussion or where can I find any discussion on how long the LaMancha books will stay open? I am wondering if I have time to work with my 50% ---> purebred program. I'll have 75% in 2008.

[HazyDay]

Yes all of our breed books are open and you can grade up. I just like the Alpine so I thought it would be a good idea to breed her Alpine. I don't know if this is your guys of grading but this is what we have to do

50% 75% 87% 87.5% 93.3% 99.99%

Right now all I have are 50% so it will take a little to get a full Canadian.

But I still have to call the owner to see if he is still there!!!

[Vicki McGaugh TX Nubians]

I would join your LaMancha breed club, and also the groupsyahoo.com of LaMancha Talk, they hash this out every year or so. I know Joni started showing Lamancha's when she was 8 and she is now almost 25 and they are still talking about closing the herd book I think you have time, least wise anything in grade right now would be grandfathered. Vicki