Kastdemur bloodlines

steff bugielski · #1 09/01/07, 05:40 AM

Can someone give me the low-down on these goats. I notice this name popping up everywhere. I purchased some does from a lady here in NY that have this name in thier pedigree. Lynnhaven Farms is in the next town over. I also see this name all over the country. Who is he?

susanne · #2 09/01/07, 08:37 AM

steff you can go here

http://www.mktdesigns.com/kastdemurs/index.html

did you buy your goats from lynn? she bought a lot of kastdemur's bucklings to breed her does with and is very successful with it.
she also makes awesome goat cheeses.

http://www.lynnhavennubians.com/

i also bought some does from lynn.

HazyDay · #3 09/01/07, 08:53 AM

I see most of her does don't have a RUMP! Why?? 25 dergrees is good for the CGS but No rump only causes problems!

steff bugielski · #4 09/01/07, 11:47 AM

I bought does from one of her friends and a buckling from another friend. Both have sire's with that Kastdemuer name.
Yes her cheese is good but you have not tasted mine.

susanne · #5 09/01/07, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by HazyDay

I see most of her does don't have a RUMP! Why?? 25 dergrees is good for the CGS but No rump only causes problems!

do you understand what you are talking about?
karen senn is a goat judge, has 40 years breeding experience and many national show winning animals.
also just in case you are talking about lynn flemming, she is a breeder and judge as well as karen with lots of grand champion in her herd.
i will excuse you, because i think you are still very young and need a lot to learn. there are many, many more years with goats ahead of you before you can stand on the same level as these two breeder.

susanne · #6 09/01/07, 12:13 PM

steff how about a cheese swap? i'm really good in making gorgonzola.

steff bugielski · #7 09/02/07, 04:42 AM

Unfortunatly I am not legally allowed to sell mine.I do make an excellent soft herbed cheese. It would be tough to mail.

goatkid · #8 09/02/07, 01:24 PM

Kastdemurs have some of the top Nubian goats in the country and many other well know breeders have goats out of their lines. Both my Nubian bucks have a Kastdemur goat in their pedigrees. The other lines in my breeding include Lynnhaven and Saada.

HazyDay · #9 09/02/07, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by susanne

do you understand what you are talking about?
karen senn is a goat judge, has 40 years breeding experience and many national show winning animals.
also just in case you are talking about lynn flemming, she is a breeder and judge as well as karen with lots of grand champion in her herd.
i will excuse you, because i think you are still very young and need a lot to learn. there are many, many more years with goats ahead of you before you can stand on the same level as these two breeder.

Im not saying any one is breeding bad animals, Im just wondering why alot of the does I see on the net from the USA have very little rump to them?

goatkid · #10 09/02/07, 01:52 PM

These are they type of goat we are breeding for in the US. According to what I've been told, does with this type of conformation have an easier time kidding. What we breed for here a is a doe who can carry kids and birth easily, and whose udder and pasterns will hold up over time.

HazyDay · #11 09/02/07, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by goatkid

These are they type of goat we are breeding for in the US. According to what I've been told, does with this type of conformation have an easier time kidding. What we breed for here a is a doe who can carry kids and birth easily, and whose udder and pasterns will hold up over time.

As do we, but a rump that is stirght is said to cause kidding problems. I wasn't looking down on any one just we bred for a 25 degree rump.

GoldenWood Farm · #12 09/02/07, 03:04 PM

HazyDay my so called straight rump girls have no problems kidding here

. Shoot one of my easiest kidders is what you would call a straight rump girl. I have never heard that does with straight rumps have problems kidding

.

Justine

hornless · #13 09/03/07, 06:48 AM

Lynn Fleming judged a Nigerian show I was at this summer. She's really good and her animals are amazing, even if they are Nubians.

crowinghen · #14 09/03/07, 10:00 AM

I don't know that mucj about goat conformation, but was told by a Dairy goat judge that the rump provides the support for the udder and the flatter rump has more surface to support the udder. Kind of like a bridge- they're usually more half circles than tent like.
Hope that makes sense

Susie

Vicki McGaugh TX Nubians · #15 09/03/07, 06:30 PM

Exactly right Susie. In fact if you look at Englands Nubians which they are soo proud of, that they are the true original Anglo Nubians, well the improvement in udder from fixing those ski sloped rumps is phenominal in the US. With a steeper rump they have less area of attachment, so udders are not high and tight to the body, causing udder injury and the floor of the udder is well below the hocks as the doe ages. Weekness in the rump area, which is exactly what a steep rump is, skeletal weakness, also gives weakness throughout the rear end down to the rear hooves. Vicki