Pygoras vs Nigoras

6e · #1 08/29/07, 09:15 PM

We have a whole herd of registered Angoras, but I was thinking about getting either a registered Pygmy buck or a registered Nigerian Dwarf buck to cross with the younger smaller does that would probably be too small for our full size Angora buck.
Soo, I can't tell from reading which is better. Which have a more useable fiber? The Pygoras or the Nigoras?

HazyDay · #2 08/29/07, 09:44 PM

If these does are to small for an Angora buck why breed them? From a dairy stand point most won't bred till they are almost 2 . From a Fiber stand point I say hold off and you still get their fiber. But if you really want kids then I say breed for Nigoras you get a good milk from the father. But for meat the Pygmy would do better am I right?

hornless · #3 08/30/07, 06:53 AM

Younger SMALLER does- not full grown does. I prefer Pygora fiber, and Nigoras can be a little bit ugly (this is coming from a Nigerian breeder). So I'd say to go with the pygora.

ozark_jewels · #4 08/30/07, 09:54 AM

How big is your buck?? Seriously, if the doelings are old enough to breed and deliver kids in 5 months, they should be able to handle being bred by a mature buck. The size difference looks scary, but as long as he isn't mean, they should be fine. I wouldn't buy another buck to breed them to if thats your only worry. But thats me.

APPway · #5 08/30/07, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by HazyDay

If these does are to small for an Angora buck why breed them? From a dairy stand point most won't bred till they are almost 2 . From a Fiber stand point I say hold off and you still get their fiber. But if you really want kids then I say breed for Nigoras you get a good milk from the father. But for meat the Pygmy would do better am I right?

Hazy
Most Dairy doelings are bred in their first year They dont wait until they are 2 yearolds. Now dont get me wrong some people do wait and if that is what you do nothing is wrong with that it is just all people do different but Most First Fresheners are in the yearling to year and a Half range at the time of birth

HazyDay · #6 08/30/07, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by APPway

Hazy
Most Dairy doelings are bred in their first year They dont wait until they are 2 yearolds. Now dont get me wrong some people do wait and if that is what you do nothing is wrong with that it is just all people do different but Most First Fresheners are in the yearling to year and a Half range at the time of birth

Thats what I meant My Alpine was Born March 2006 and is being bred this fall. So she will kid at around 2 years old. Mostly every body around here shows. So they show a kid then a yearling and then a milker. So only the good REG does kidd when they are near 2 years around here.

ozark_jewels · #7 08/30/07, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by HazyDay

My Alpine was Born March 2006 and is being bred this fall.

Many people breed their doelings to kid out at around 1 year old. All my 2006 kids kidded out this spring and have been milking all year.

cjb · #8 08/30/07, 02:50 PM

I have known breeders who breed their Winter or early Spring does in the Fall to an ND buck to make their first delivery smoother. Seems like that would not be a bad idea for a FF regardless of the age.

ozark_jewels · #9 08/30/07, 02:59 PM

Not a *bad* idea, no, but I wouldn't consider it a good enough idea to go out and spend the money on a buck I didn't really need. Unless you simply want some Nigie blood. Then it would be a great idea.

Properly sized FF shouldn't have kidding problems unless the buck is known to have huge kids.

6e · #10 08/30/07, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by cjb

I have known breeders who breed their Winter or early Spring does in the Fall to an ND buck to make their first delivery smoother. Seems like that would not be a bad idea for a FF regardless of the age.

Right on!

But that's not my *only* reason for it. The Pygoras and the Nigoras seem to be an up and coming thing and since I already have the Angora does....why not? But I wanted something that people would be interested in. Seems from the answers that Pygoras are the way to go.

Thank you soo much for all of your responses!!!

Lizzieag · #11 08/30/07, 11:41 PM

I hear a lot of pygoras and people are becoming fairly familar with them as a breed. The idea of a Nigora, may strike people as the equivalent of a Mutt dog. Personally, I am more concerned with milk..not meat. Thus I would go for the Nigora.

I have had both Nigerians and Pygmies. My Nigerians have much softer hair, than the best pygmies I have seen. Personally, I think that having the Nigerian influence in the hair would be preferred. I do a lot of knitting for babies with wool and angora yarns. I select yarn for softness. So depending on what you want to do with the hair that is a consideration.