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07/04/07, 09:41 PM
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Need opinions~pics of lump on doe
I have researched this for over a week and I can't find the answer to this so I'm asking you knowledgeable folks here on the board.
My Alpine doe that is 4 years old developed this lump on her side near the front part of her back leg, sort of where the leg connects with the stomach area. It is about the size of a golf ball and there is no loss of hair, and it hasn't changed in size or hardness in over a week. It is not soft and squishy but more solid.
I have been researching CL but everything I'm reading says it shows up in the jaw area and the neck and throat area.
My herd is small and the only outside goat I've had has been the buck that I used this last year. I purchased him from a CL free herd. Once he threw so many doe kids, I sold him back to the original owner.
Here are the pics. Please tell me what you think. I've never encountered this before. I've had goats for four years now and have never had a concern until now. Thanks in advance for any advice you can give me.
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07/04/07, 09:45 PM
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By dumb luck, have you given any shots here? Sorry, don't know more than that, but i am sure someone will be along to help...
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07/04/07, 09:54 PM
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No shots given in that location. And I didn't see a wound there but all of my goats have horns and I can't guarantee that there aren't any sharp objects in their pen. They have a 3 acre area to browse.
Her twins both have horns so I was wondering if one of them got her with their horns when nursing. It would be in just about the right area. 
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07/04/07, 10:04 PM
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cl will show up by any lymp node--how long has she had this? cl can show up on chest and udders. there is a test, you take a big sized needle and syringe and insert it in the bump and try and pull the stuff inside out if it comes out it isnt cl if it wont come out it is probably cl
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07/04/07, 10:09 PM
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She's had it for about two weeks. I had hoped it would go away and when it didn't, I started doing some research. I sure wasn't liking what I was reading.
Not to sound stupid but is there a lymp node where that lump is located? I was not aware of that. I thought they were on the neck and throat. Guess I have a lot more to learn. But then, that's why I'm here.
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07/04/07, 10:19 PM
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Yes, that is a spot that is pretty common for CL to show up. Doesn't mean it *is* CL......but I sure would be taking precautions and having some tests run.
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07/04/07, 10:45 PM
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Have your vet test it so you can be 100% positive - it is not a pretty thing to deal with. .. Best of luck to you!~
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07/04/07, 10:55 PM
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Hey, I read today that in that location it can be a hernia. I saw pictures in the book of a hernia on a goat and it looked exactly like that. Be careful about poking it. I'd see a vet about it personally. If it is CL, I'd not want to poke it unless you are prepared for exude and can treat it properly until she is completely healed. You'll want to isolate her if you poke it and find pus. Still, I'd be really careful. If t is a hernia, I would think poking it could be a bad thing. I had a Nubian doe that carried a spot like that for 2 years and it never bursted. I'm wondering if hers was a hernia since reading that article in that book. Good luck to you!!
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07/05/07, 05:48 AM
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Originally Posted by goatladie
Have your vet test it so you can be 100% positive - it is not a pretty thing to deal with. .. Best of luck to you!~
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imo the tests the vet does dont seem to accurate i had two tested one came back pos the other neg but they both had it. does the lump move around?
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07/05/07, 06:21 AM
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Originally Posted by mare
imo the tests the vet does dont seem to accurate i had two tested one came back pos the other neg but they both had it. does the lump move around?
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having the vet test it, it would definitely be a safer bet than guessing whether or not it was CL and being worried about it....
How do you know the other doe definitely had it? Are you saying b/c she came down with other lump(s)? I could see maybe tests not always being 100% accurate, but better than not -imo What testing did your vet do on the samples?
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07/05/07, 06:44 AM
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Originally Posted by mare
does the lump move around?
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No, it is staying in the same spot.
The vets around here don't deal with goats. At least not the ones I've been talking to. But I am making plans to get her isolated this weekend.
I was going to lance the abcess and get it tested but the thought of it being a hernia bothers me. I don't want to cause her more problems. My hubby will be home this coming week so I may call the vet and then have hubby help me get her loaded up and take her in so the vet can check it for me. The upside to doing this is that if it is lanced and it is CL, there won't be any contamination on my property.
Thank you all for the responses. I think I knew the answer already. I was just hoping for a different one. 
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07/05/07, 07:16 AM
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cl
http://www.jackmauldin.com/health/cl.htm
This site maybe helpful, yes the two locations you pictured are common CL locations. As mentioned have a VET confirm the presence of CL via testing.
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07/05/07, 07:19 AM
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07/05/07, 07:33 AM
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"CL is a fact of life in goats (and sheep). If you don't have it yet, you will have it. You don't have to own or buy infected goats; flies can carry the bacteria from nearby infected animals and bring it to your goats."
Topside~thank you for the links. I think I had seen them in my research but I've bookmarked them now.
The above quote is from one of the links you posted. I feel bad that my goat may be infected. After reading this statement, I finally realize that this disease can affect a herd no matter what precautions you take. I was beating myself up for having "allowed" this to happen.
Now, I need to get over that and get her tested. I have no idea what I will do with her if she is positive. I have 7 other does and a wether to be concerned with. But I'm gonna hate to cull her. She was one of my first goats. 
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07/05/07, 08:11 AM
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Originally Posted by CountryDreams
"CL is a fact of life in goats (and sheep). If you don't have it yet, you will have it. You don't have to own or buy infected goats; flies can carry the bacteria from nearby infected animals and bring it to your goats."
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it is how we deal with this disease and if we are willing to have it in our herd.
yes this spot is typical for cl. if that would be one of my does i would have the vet come out and have the abscess removed and send in for testing. if comes back positive i would cull her immediately. if she would be a very valuable animal and i want to have some kids out of her before she goes i would separate her from all the others. she would be shaved so i would not miss any new abscess forming and accidentally contaminating my soil.
i alsop would blood test all the others with uc davis.
very sorry this happens to you.
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07/05/07, 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by goatladie
As for
having the vet test it, it would definitely be a safer bet than guessing whether or not it was CL and being worried about it....
How do you know the other doe definitely had it? Are you saying b/c she came down with other lump(s)? I could see maybe tests not always being 100% accurate, but better than not -imo What testing did your vet do on the samples?
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i lanced them both and it was the same in both and every one ive talked to described what they had as cl.
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07/05/07, 03:53 PM
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The blood tests help with eradicating the disease. They are not 100%. However, if you have your vet remove the entire cyst without puncturing it and sent it in for testing, that test is 100%. Isolate that doe now. Draw blood from all and test them, then retest in a 3 weeks or a month in case of false positives. If any more show up with lumps, send the lump in for testing. Also, aggressively cull any animal with CL. That is, butcher them out. Don't 'save' the goat by selling it and spread the problem.
Don't let any vet poke or lance the abcess. Only allow them to remove it completely.
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