Nubian Question?/

[chris30523]

I have found a couple of Nubian girls close to home and I have a couple of questions before I go look at them. The one I am interested in is 2yo and might be bred. She is spotted but she is coming from a zoo.Never shown.She is at Paradise Valley Farm www.homestead.com/minilivestock .They want 500.00 for her which seems like alot.On the other hand Nubians in Georgia are hard to come by. If those of you who have Nubians have any advice or would mind looking at this link let me know what you think.

[ozark_jewels]

No offense to the breeder/owner, but I didn't see anything there that I would be tempted to pay $500 for.....and especially not only maybe bred. They don't look good or bad, they just look kind of like average Nubians that I could find anywhere.....except for the spots. Maybe they are pricing the spots??
For $500, I would be finding a really good bloodline herd and be buying something that was from proven lines. Or buying something that is priced nearer to $300-$400 and using the extra money for gas to travel and get one I really wanted.
Your only wanting them for home-milking, right?? Thats show goat price for non-show goats.
My advice is to look around more first.

[lynpea]

man... I am going to hauling my nubian does to GA. to sell! Seriously.... I would take toheart what O_J said. Unless those girls have some powerhouse bloodlines I'd pass on them. Spots are easy to get, as a matter of fact I have a LOVELY spotted buckiling......out of Longman's lines, that's for sale.........(WAY less than 500$!!)

[chris30523]

Thanks Emily .That is what I was wondering. They didn't look that great to me but I am still learning about Nubians. I thought the price was kind of high but I can't find any close. I guess I will just have to reserve one somewhere for next year. Any suggestions??

[HazyDay]

Just a note, They price WAY WAY TOO HIGH!. Nubians around here with papers go for 250.00 not much to them! I looked at their site. 20.00 for a sikie chick? No way! They must have to charge that high price for their website. Any ways find a good doe for 200 - 300 not 500! I wish I was near you I could get you a bunch of purebred does for 500 (around 5!!!)

[ozark_jewels]

Your just looking for home milkers that you can cross with Boers right??(Or maybe I'm thinking of someone else, please correct me if so. ) So what you want are sturdy does, big barrels, healthy, decent milk production, strong constitutions. Not neccesarily show stock, but decent quality, right?
If this sounds about right(very much my goals as well), I would just locate a herd that has goats that fit the bill within workable driving distance of you and have several good chats with them about their goats. Do you have an ADGA directory?? That would give you plenty of numbers and websites in Georgia and surrounding ares for you to start with. If you don't have one, I have the 2006 directory that I could mail you.

[Vicki McGaugh TX Nubians]

A doe in milk yes $500 but a 'maybe' bred? Sorry but maybe bred is just nonsense. If she is upping the price because she is maybe bred...and I don't know many does who are pregnant this early in the year...than spend the $7 and get a blood test to confirm the pregnancy. I didn't look at the website, but is this doe coming with current CAE negative test results? Purebred ADGA registered Nubian with her paperwork up to date and a service memo that she was indeed bred to a ADGA Purebred buck the person owns? If she is not bred will they rebreed for free? A $500 doe here would come with all of the above and aftercare by me. Vicki

[ozark_jewels]

Originally Posted by Vicki McGaugh TX Nubians

A $500 doe here would come with all of the above and aftercare by me. Vicki

And be better quality than anything I saw on that site.

[chris30523]

I had e-mailed her and she said they really loved their goats. I have looked on the ADGA website and have not found many Nubians in Ga. There are a few dairy growers mostly Lamacha's and Saanen and lots of the mini's and dwarf breeds. I think I will have to travel to pick up the ones I want. I am looking for the better bloodlines. I am limited to when I can travel any distance to about 2 weeks around thanksgiving or christmas. Not goat season I know, but not egg laying season for me. I started looking late and most of the doelings were already reserved. I did get a buckling who will have to be happy with boer girls this year.

[Raftercat5]

Chris: If you want purebred nubians, I have 3 doeling triplets, born 3-9-07 for sale for $300/each. We're in Cheraw, SC. The girls are all disbudded, tattooed, and are wormed. They come from a good line of milkers. Their sire & dam are both registered. Dam is on premises, and I keep milk recordings of her. She gives between 8-10+ gallons a day (2nd freshening).
Email me at Raftercat5@aol.com if interested.
- Kathy

[waygr00vy]

Where in Georgia are you? There are many nubian breeders in Florida, which might not be too bad of a drive depending where you are. I got two reg. spotted doelings from a breeder near Lake City, which is pretty close to the GA border. They are decent doelings, probably not quite show quality but they were priced accordingly (around $150 each I believe). I know there are also breeders in Jacksonville....

[yarrow]

Originally Posted by chris30523

I had e-mailed her and she said they really loved their goats. I have looked on the ADGA website and have not found many Nubians in Ga. There are a few dairy growers mostly Lamacha's and Saanen and lots of the mini's and dwarf breeds. I think I will have to travel to pick up the ones I want. I am looking for the better bloodlines. I am limited to when I can travel any distance to about 2 weeks around thanksgiving or christmas. Not goat season I know, but not egg laying season for me. I started looking late and most of the doelings were already reserved. I did get a buckling who will have to be happy with boer girls this year.

Not sure if we are too far for you to travel to or not? (MO. Ozarks, near the AR/MO border)
BUT.... I do have adga purebred nubian babies DUE in OCT. Seven does bred (still too early to know for sure, but I'm thinking most, if not all are pregnant) Nice bloodlines. All births attended, all babies bottle fed. Bottle Doelings, disbudded/tattooted, reg. application provided at purchase will be $125 -$175 each. Compaion wethers, $15 each. Bucklings (I'm picky on a few that are truly nice will be sold intact) $75-100...
pic of the moms-to-be hiding in the doorway from the evil, rain


susie, mo. ozarks
ages ago acres nubians

[dosthouhavemilk]

If the doe you are considering is Lovett, here is her pedigree from ADGA;
http://www.adgagenetics.org/DoeDetai...ber=N001209146
She is an American Nubian to boot. The Americans are looked down upon, unfortunately. So you aren't likely to get anywhere near that price for her offspring.
There are lots of breeders out there. Looks like a little less than 100 breeders listed in the 2007 ADGA Members directory for Georgia. Some the same herd just different owners.

[chris30523]

Originally Posted by waygr00vy

Where in Georgia are you? There are many nubian breeders in Florida, which might not be too bad of a drive depending where you are. I got two reg. spotted doelings from a breeder near Lake City, which is pretty close to the GA border. They are decent doelings, probably not quite show quality but they were priced accordingly (around $150 each I believe). I know there are also breeders in Jacksonville....

I am in the very NE corner of Ga.(about as far away from Fla. in GA as you can get) I guess I just need to join the ADGA and get a breeders directory.I have looked at alot of the web-sites and most that I have found( if they are up dated) are sold out for the year. I am not opposed to traveling but I cannot travel any distance till Nov. Or Dec that is why I was looking in Ga. Thanks for all the help I will probably re-post then to see who still has some of those beautiful Nubians for sale.

[chris30523]

Originally Posted by dosthouhavemilk

If the doe you are considering is Lovett, here is her pedigree from ADGA;
http://www.adgagenetics.org/DoeDetai...ber=N001209146
She is an American Nubian to boot. The Americans are looked down upon, unfortunately. So you aren't likely to get anywhere near that price for her offspring.
There are lots of breeders out there. Looks like a little less than 100 breeders listed in the 2007 ADGA Members directory for Georgia. Some the same herd just different owners.

Okay how can you tell she is an american Nubian?? American as opposed to ??And why are the American Nubian frowned upon??

[dosthouhavemilk]

If you go to the link it has an AM next to her number. This indicates American Nubian as opposed to a Purebred Nubian which will have a PB next to their number such as this buck;
http://www.adgagenetics.org/SireDeta...ber=N001395513
American indicates that at some point in her history a family member was not registered with the ADGA.
The concern with the Nubians, I believe, is that Boers were crossed with Nubians back when they first came into the country and so an American is suspect.
With such a large purebred base in the Nubian breed, it is easy to find Purebreds and be particular. Purebred animals are registered all the way back. Only registered stock in their pedigrees.

In this area, the Americans aren't all that frowned upon, but it depends on your area.

Vicki can explain it better. I've only been in registered goats a short while and the only Purebreeds I own are my two Nubian bucks...lol
I have two Purebred does but I don't have their papers so their offspring will go into the Grade Nubian book until so many generations have been bred to a Purebred then they will enter the American herdbook.

[chris30523]

That answers my question.Thank you! Makes me feel better because the buckling I got is purebred. Thought maybe I paid too much for too little.LOL

[trob1]

Check this site out if you are looking for spots. They sell their young doelings for $200.00 with spots and $150.00 if they are born without spots. I am getting the little buckling on the for sale page in about a month. They shouldnt be that far from you as they are close to me and Paradise Valley is only a couple hours from me.

www.spotsofsandalefarm.com

[chris30523]

Originally Posted by trob1

Check this site out if you are looking for spots. They sell their young doelings for $200.00 with spots and $150.00 if they are born without spots. I am getting the little buckling on the for sale page in about a month. They shouldnt be that far from you as they are close to me and Paradise Valley is only a couple hours from me.

www.spotsofsandalefarm.com

I actually am on their waiting list.Checked out your website also what cute goaties.
Yarrow what beautiful healthy looking does can't wait to see pics of the kids.

[ozark_jewels]

American Nubian vs Purebred Nubian. One better than the other?? What an idiotic concept most of the time. This American vs Purebred stigma doesn't even exist in other breeds, why should it in Nubians? Granted as Vicki said, *in Texas*, the fear is that they have been mixed with Boer blood way back there. I understand that, but just to say that Americans in general are inferior?? Hah.
A goat is only as good as its quality, no matter what the papers say. An American doe is not automatically inferior because somewhere in its background someone didn't transfer the purebred papers and it went grade. Or because it was bred up from another dairy breed. If it has good Nubian breed character, milks well, good conformation, what more do you need? If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck....chances are, its a duck.
I have seen some *awesome* Americans and I have seen plenty of crappy purebreds. It has nothing to do with Purebred vs American.
There is an awesome herd of American Nubians in AR. I am getting a buck from her next year. Her does are big, they are stunning, healthy, they win in the ring, and they milk. They are what I want. And yes, she does use both American and Purebred bucks. I was thinking you should get on her list Chris. She sells milkers for reasonable prices in early spring many times. I can send you her website if you'd like.
The difference should be in the quality and not the papers. For homestead milkers that you'll be selling doelings out of for $100-$300, it shouldn't make a bit of difference about the American vs Purebred. Does for the homestead should be bought for their performance and the American vs Purebred has absolutely 0% to do with that.
Can you tell this subject pushes my buttons? But seriously, I have never lost a sale due to the doeling being an American Nubian. Half of that is myth *if your not selling for really high prices* and the other half is predjudice. People who are buying for the health and quality of the goat, care about those things first. There are really good American Nubians and there are really good Purebreds. There is also plenty of junk in both parties. Buy the goat, not the papers.