Pics of a Hermaphrodite

[ozark_jewels]

For those that have wondered but never seen one, here you go. This is Nutrageous, a Lamancha/Alpine doeling I was going to keep and ad to my milking herd. She also turns out to be a hermie. In the second picture you can see the vulva of a normal doeling in the background for comparison.








She is big, beautiful and sweet. She would make a nice "teaser"(heat detector) doe for someone who is going to try doing AI breeding, or a good brush eater. Anyone willing to give Nutrageous a good home??

I actually don't even care if you want to butcher her in a few months.....as long as its a quick merciful death. I will butcher her if no one wants her for a teaser or for meat. Since she is a hermie, she would be priced like a meat goat....$1.00 per lb. I'd have to weigh her to find out what she weighs.

This is a 1st experience for me...and it had to be Nutrageous!

[computerchick]

Oh, she's so beautiful - wonder if you can't find her a good pet/kid home??? Probably a good buck companion too Everyone needs a wether - of one form or another!!!

Andrea

[Idahoe]

Thanks for posting these pics. The difference I see is the larger than normal "bulb" like bump on her vulva and how it tips upward, rather than downward. It's pretty subtle, how did you figure this out?

Was she examined by a vet internally? I heard there is a short probe that is used to determine hermaphrodites in cows, it's advanced into the vaginal canal, and if the canal is "blind", the probe will only go in a certain distance if any.

How sad, she is beautiful! I hope she finds a home where she's useful (in one way or another ) .

[Freeholder]

Thank you for posting those pictures. I'd never seen a hermaphrodite, only read descriptions -- a picture is worth a thousand words. I'm sorry, though, that it was a doe you wanted to keep!

I take it that the condition wasn't really obvious at birth -- how long did it take to show up?

Kathleen

[Marjorie Dickso]

Emily, were both parents polled?

[trob1]

Oh she sure is pretty. If only I were closer I would take her in a heartbeat.

[ozark_jewels]

Originally Posted by Idahoe

It's pretty subtle, how did you figure this out?

Was she examined by a vet internally?

It wasn't noticable at birth and in fact it took a friend drawing attention to her odd looking rear one day for me to nitice. She was in with about 15 other doelings and at that age I don't normally stare at butts. We noticed it when she was about two months old. The vet did check her today while she was out here preg-checking cows. She took one look at her and said we were right. She did a slight internal check to be sure. Yep.

[ozark_jewels]

Originally Posted by Marjorie Dickso

Emily, were both parents polled?

Nope, neither one. Its just an anomally.

[christij]

Ohh Emily I am sorry I know you didn't want it to be so! I hope all went well with the jersey calf.

[Idahoe]

This is why the internet is great.

Since the parents weren't polled, could her sharing a uterine horn (as in cattle) have caused this? Theoretically, since you couldn't KNOW for sure

Do you wonder if this is genetic, like a mutation in her line? Was her dam or sire bred before?

ETA: If you do end up keeping her and putting her in the freezer, what she's "got" in there would be interesting to see.

[KimM]

What a shame. I'd take her in a minute, she's adorable!

[KimM]

Originally Posted by Idahoe

This is why the internet is great.

Since the parents weren't polled, could her sharing a uterine horn (as in cattle) have caused this? Theoretically, since you couldn't KNOW for sure

Do you wonder if this is genetic, like a mutation in her line? Was her dam or sire bred before?

ETA: If you do end up keeping her and putting her in the freezer, what she's "got" in there would be interesting to see.

Yes it would. She should have testes in her abdomen, right? Wouldn't that make her develop buckish characteristics?

[TC]

I had one once, a few years ago, she was put in the freezer. Beautiful Boer, who looked and smelled just like a buck after a year, but had a complete looking vagina (and a somewhat complete birth canal ) with a testis sac hanging from underneath it. Wish I had pics. When we butchered her, there was no uterus. She was not polled, and neither were her parents.

[suburbanite]

In humans, ambiguous genitalia is not genetic but the result of an abnormal hormonal environment in the mother during gestation.

[susieM]

It seems that she has the perfect name. Did you give it to her before, or after, you found out?

[mwhit]

Originally Posted by suburbanite

In humans, ambiguous genitalia is not genetic but the result of an abnormal hormonal environment in the mother during gestation.

HUH? Where did you get that info? Abiguous genitalia can indeed be genetic-- there are dominant and recessive disorders that cause this and there are X linked types. Interestingly, something like 1 in every 1500 to 2000 people have intersex conditions.

Michelle

[ozark_jewels]

Originally Posted by christij

I hope all went well with the jersey calf.

Well....the calf hernia was too big to be fixed.... I knew we shouldn't have bought her....but I felt so sorry for her. Ah well, we will raise her to be about 6 months old and butcher her I guess.

[ozark_jewels]

Originally Posted by Idahoe

Do you wonder if this is genetic, like a mutation in her line? Was her dam or sire bred before?

ETA: If you do end up keeping her and putting her in the freezer, what she's "got" in there would be interesting to see.

If I butcher, I will take internal pics.

Her sire and dam have produced multiple kids who are just fine. The dam has had three other sets of kids and the sire was used heavily and also has many kids. No problems there.

[ozark_jewels]

Originally Posted by susieM

It seems that she has the perfect name. Did you give it to her before, or after, you found out?

Right before....her mothers name is Nutty....

[bumpus]

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How do you know that she could not have kids.

Our are you just not wanting the blood line in your heard.
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