I'd like to present (pics)

[dunroven]

Mr. Beau Duke





and

Miss Daisy May







The second picture of Daisy is the one that has me concerned. She is still struggling to get up off of her knees. I just am wondering if this is normal. She can walk, but her legs seem like the go way out in front of her and then bend down. May be just me, but I'll of course keep an eye on her. Sorry these are so large. I am doing this late tonight and really am too tired to go back and change their size and redo the post.

Thanks for looking everyone!

[Cat]

They're adorable - especially Beau! I love that brown.

How old is your doeling and does she still have difficulty with her legs? I've seen where sometimes due to the ligaments and bones being so pliable where lambs' legs will bend the wrong way at the joints and if you catch it early enough you can correct it by bracing the legs for a day or two until things start firming up. I'm not sure if there is a scientific name for this - I've only seen it in a few lambs at the sheep farm.

[mammawof3]

These are newborns-right? Alot of leg "problems" can be seen at birth, that are just from being crowded inutero.(yes, it can also be low selenium) I just had a big buck kid born, walking on his dew claws on all 4 feet-he's 2 days old now-and nearly "completly" fixed--w/no bracing or intervention. These things usually correct themselves w/in a few days-to a week from birth. Cute kids, enjoy them

[Jim S.]

The knee walking is primarily genetic, called contracted tendon syndrome. Recessive trait. Happens in calves and horses, too.

Happens with goats that have had all the complete mineral supplements, so I am doubtful there is a mineral deficiency cause.

In some cases, malpresentation or malposition in the womb can cause it, but in normal births there is usually a genetic cause.

She will be fine. It just takes a while for the tendons to stretch and relax, and she will walk normally. I had one this year like that. I just keep them penned with mama til the kid can walk fairly normally. It usually is just a couple days or so.

I love Beau's colors!

[dunroven]

Thanks for the information everyone! Here's another question. Beau looks a lot like Boer but Daisy doesn't. Is she looking a little Nubian here? The people we bought the mama from weren't sure when she was bred and by who and they had bought her already pregnant. They didn't keep her or her sister very long as they didn't know what to do with goats at the place they had them, so they decided they were more of a bother. Of course I don't have a clue about parentage either, but I think they will be fine for us.

I may not have my breeds right either as far as her being part nubian, but let me know what you think, please?

I was really tickled about these babies. I have been watching and trying to be sure we were around since these are our "first" babies here, but she didn't seem to need me. We were gone when they were born and I was just shocked when I walked in and here they were and she is talking so quietly to them and just gently nudging them here and there. They are her first kids too, so she did really well I thought.

By the way, Beau has a little spot about the size of a quarter on his back that is jet black. Really cute little guy!. I do have them penned up in my goat barn and probably will leave them there for quite a while. I have one very aggressive doe and I'm not certain I should keep her. She REALLY charges my little ones anytime I let them in there, so I have a tendency to think I should either sell her or maybe just wait till the babies are big before putting them in where she is so they will be able to hold their own against her.

I almost forgot, these babies are now 2 days old.

[A'sta at Hofstead]

How cute! Beau really made me smile!

[Sweet Goats]

They are sure cute. No I do not think that Dasie May looks Boer at all. Congratulations

[dunroven]

So if not Boer, what breed? You think Nubian? Funny these 2 are twins but same mama same papa! LOL

I love them both, so much! Daisy is walking a little better this afternoon. I'm pleased as punch! :baby04:

[Jim S.]

We'd call 'em brush goats here...mixed up mama and probably papa, too. Mama has Nube in her and who knows what else? Goat twins are fraternal, not the result of a single egg dividing, so they can be quite different.

Nothing wrong with brush goats, they are hardier than purebred because of a phenomenon known as hybrid vigor, or heterosis.

[dunroven]

I really don't care much what kind she is. Brush goat sounds fine to me. She is (imho), beautiful and she likes to be held already! I have held her so much already and just talked with her, she doesn't scream at me now, she just kind of mmmmmms.

Geesh, I am so loving these little critters. I never knew you could love a critter so much! Okay, I know they are goats, and I am going to raise them a lot like you do Jim, but how can you keep from getting your heart just stolen completely away by these tiny little things? I could have a 5000 head herd and still love every one of them.

And, yes, I know for this farm they are meat animals and will be bred that way, but little ole Beau is going to be (if he gets good growth on him) the papa for our others for a while. We do have a buck but we may get some shared duty with these 2 (of course penned separately!). LOL

Oh well, I'm in goat heaven! LOLOLOLOL