Deworming Meds

[Kristinjo]

My question is...what wormer is best? I have heard of several different kind and would like to know what everyone likes or dislikes. My does were dewormed with Safeguard but I have heard that this is a mild wormer compared with some.

I brought home my first pair of Saanen does last night. They are 9 weeks old and 58 lbs! The breeder was letting them nurse off of mom but they eat grain, hay and water well. Just piggy little girls...lots of noise last night as they were blatting for mom. What a sweet sound!

Let me know your thoughts!
Thanks and have a great day!
Kristin

[Vicki McGaugh TX Nubians]

I would just start with Cydectin...1cc per 25 pounds given orally, purchase the cattle pouron form, and yes it is given by mouth. When you order this from jefferspet.com I would also order Dimethox (it's actually an IV sulfa) that we use for cocci prevention (and other stressor disease goatlings get at weaning (or in your case moving them away from mom, but great that they have each other....give them 1cc per 10 pounds by mouth, then give half that much for day 2, 3, 4 and 5...and shame on the person you purchased these goats from that they came with no aftercare!

Go easy on the grain, go heavy on the alfalfa hay or alfafla pellets.

Please get the idea of "mild' womring or 'hitting them heavy' out of your vocabulary...you either worm with something that kills the adult worms and evacuates eggs, and keeps them that way for several months, or you use something that doesn't work, there is no mild, if it's mild for the worms than it's not working.

I would also think about vaccinations also. Vicki

[moosemaniac]

I alternate wormers. Most folks I know do the same, and no one has had a problem with them losing their effectiveness.

I use Ivermectin, Safeguard and Combocare.

Ruth

[moonspinner]

Vicki, the Dimeth IV does work given orally?

[Kristinjo]

Thanks for the replies. The kids did have CDT shots and were wormed. She said she alternates the wormer, but didn't tell me what other wormer she uses.
Thanks again.

[homebirtha]

I would call her back and find out what she used and then use something else. YMMV, but the first dairy goats we got had been wormed with rotation worming and we found that neither of the wormers worked on them, by doing fecals.

If she was using Safeguard, then Ivermectin may still work for you. But whatever you use, do a follow-up fecal and make sure it worked.

Originally Posted by Kristinjo

Thanks for the replies. The kids did have CDT shots and were wormed. She said she alternates the wormer, but didn't tell me what other wormer she uses.
Thanks again.

[Vicki McGaugh TX Nubians]

Yes the Dimethox works orally.

It just floors me at times that all teaching univeristies that have goat projects, that all dairy goat producers who go to clubs that put on parasitolgy clinics and have parasitlogists out to teach about worming, how to keep resistance down, yet vets and folks say the exact opposite off all this information done on goats...that rotating wormers works (well in 21 years of goating I have rotated myself out of being able to use Ivermectin and nearly all white wormers except for in tapes) that using Ivermectin injectable injected works (sure for evacuating out eggs from a fecal but certainly not for worming unless you are doing it every month). There isn't even enough time in a year, with good sound management to worm with 3 different wormers...and I don't know what combocare is but it has to be either a white wormer (like Safeguard/Panacur, Valbazen or Synanthic or levamisole) or it is a mectin like Ivermectin etc...and even Cydectin is in the same "family" as Ivermectins. alhtough like Valbazen and Synanthic are only a class of the white drugs like Sageguard and the old TBZ.

I can honestly say that I don't know a sole with nice stock who rotates wormers, other than to move from one class of wormer to another to go after a speicfic worm found, like using Ivermectin Plus during the winter here...or a white wormer like Valbazen in kids for tapes...but to rotate like in horses, no, goats have 4 stomaches, horses have 1.

And new folks aren't going to fecal, it takes them a year to learn nutrition...so the best advice is to just start with Cydectin, whoever she purchased from can have resistance to Ivermectin, can shoot Safeguard on the ground to kill worms it works so poorly, but she doesn't not have Cydectin resistance, so why no start with it and go from there. Overwhelming new people with 3 different wormers to buy...it makes no sense.

With so little infomration coming from the new owner that you are here asking questions, I would also not hesitate to revaccinate also. It's cheap insurance. Vicki

[Kristinjo]

Vicki, you should be writing books...you're awesome. I just hope someday I can have your knowledge. Until then, I'll keep reading and learning from people like you.

Would I get the vaccinations from jefferspet also? or from the vet? What should I get? And if there is anything else I should do, let me know.

Thanks,
Kristin

***I looked on Jeffers and saw the goat vaccinations. Now what ones do you use and I see some you do once a year. Could you give me an idea of what ones to get. Thanks.

[steff bugielski]

I would like to put me 2 cents in for herbal wormers.
I have had mine on Moll'y Herbals from Fiasco Farms. They all have gotten the all good from the vet when I did fecals last month. I know warm weather is just starting here in NY but The vet was pleased with their condition. He has done some of his own research on the herbal wormer and really likes the mix . I will continue throughout the summer and do another fecal around July- August. I have actually seen dead worms in thier feces so I know they had worms and are now rid of them.

[Vicki McGaugh TX Nubians]

Would I get the vaccinations from jefferspet also? or from the vet? What should I get? And if there is anything else I should do, let me know.
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Start with CD&T I use the bar-vac brand...any goat any breed any size 2cc. I do it IM so you don't see the lump it forms, you can give it subq but you will see a lump. Then read and learn, as you go you may decide to vaccinate for staph mastitis (lysigin from jeffers) or for pnemonia. It really depends upon what you have in your area. With a very competitive herd or two from your state on our forum, you may want to come and read and ask questions from these gals...instead of listening to me from Texas dairygoatinfo.com

Steffi, you have done exactly what Iam saying. You learned, you have been on the forums a long time now, when you did move to herbal wormers you were using it under vet care to check your fecals. And big woop you saw dead tapes in the poop...by the way it's the only worm that was killed off by the herbal wormer in more numbers than Ivermectin (given subq on bottle rate only, which we know needs to be doubled and given orally)...and Ivermectin has never been classed to rid the goat of tapes....so how good is this information really? But if you choose to use it as an experienced goat person that is wonderful, but for a new person? Or someone in the south...bad idea. Vicki

[moosemaniac]

Vicki, with all due respect, I got my information from local goat breeders who have raised goats for years. The rotation method works very well for them, and I have not had any problems either. Maybe it's geological, who knows, but if it works, I'm going to continue doing it.

Ruth

[steff bugielski]

Well they weren't tapes in the droppings but small white round worms about 1/4" long. I agree that the south is worse when it comes to worms just giving them a herbal option that does work for many.

[chris30523]

when you have tapes there will be rice looking "grains" in the feces.It is time to worm with something that gets tapes.As far as I know these are the only worms you can detect without a microscope.