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Old 05/17/07, 11:52 AM
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Exclamation Don't do this

My poor little bucklings.....one purchased, 2 homegrown. Horns were not removed, then my uncle (the buyer of 2 homegrown bucklings) decided that he did want the horns off. They were born the first and second week of March. They have big horns now. He bought an electic dehorner and wanted me to do this. These are my first baby goats, The purchased goat has spurs. So bright me , I thought the way to go would be to use lidocaine and numb the horn area, then burn. So, I find out that you can not purchase lidocaine. I had a vet come out just to numb them Cost $50 farm call and $15 per goat = $95.
He was in a hurry, just numbed them and drove off. The 2 smaller ones went down and the smallest one had seizures. He stoped breathing twice. I called for the vet to come back and he said sometimes lidocaine will cause muscle weakness, there is no antidote and it would soon wear off. I held this little goat for 45 min. He is now holding his head up but is gurgling when breathing. I think he may have aspirated, I pray that he will not get pneumonia. Needless to say, no horns were burned. They will now keep them. If they can't be done before 2 weeks, then they will not be done by me.
I had tried to get some experienced goat help, but no one had time.
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Old 05/17/07, 11:54 AM
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Ouch! I did have a young wether whose horned had not been removed. I had someone remove them for me. I'm sure it hurt like the dickens, but he was clean and infection free after the procedure. I wouldn't want to go through that again though. Nasty business!!!!

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Old 05/17/07, 11:55 AM
 
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I hope they pull through. What an experience!
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Old 05/17/07, 12:33 PM
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OH I am so sorry. That is why I am glad all mine Have to have their horns.
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Old 05/17/07, 12:45 PM
 
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YAY!

They get to keep their God-given horns, is the silver lining to this story!
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Old 05/17/07, 12:47 PM
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Well, if the ADGA would allow goats to be shown with horns...



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Old 05/17/07, 01:45 PM
 
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Take it up with them, Ruth. :1pig: I think those are the dumbest rules, that a goat cannot be shown in its natural state...I have heard all the "good" reasons, and I think every one of them I've heard can be managed another way besides dehorning.
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Old 05/17/07, 01:50 PM
 
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Let them keep their horns for mother natures sake dag gone it!!!!
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Old 05/18/07, 06:39 AM
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All are doing well this morning, Thank God! And they will all keep their horns!!!
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Old 05/19/07, 01:05 PM
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you don't need to numb the area to disbud. It is quick and easy procedure if done correctly. it actualy is harder on the person doing it then the actual kid.

I am glad they get to keep their horns for their sake and that they are doing well.
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Old 05/19/07, 07:32 PM
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Oh my goodness! All three of your goats had a bad reaction to Lidocaine? I hope the little one is doing better today. Your vet should be ashamed for his behavior and lack of care for you and the animals he was supposed to be taking care of. I am sorry you had such a bad experience with your first baby goats.
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Old 05/20/07, 01:03 PM
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I'm not so sure I wouldn't file a complaint with the state's veterinary board. Am I correct in that the vet left after giving the lidocaine, and did not return after learning that the one little guy was seizuring and had stopped breathing? At the very least, he'd never set foot on my farm again, assuming I understand the situation correctly.
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Old 05/20/07, 08:12 PM
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I'm so sorry for your experience. Vets & goats don't seem to go hand & hand. Those of you with a good goat Vet close are lucky. Here a single call is more than the price of another goat. When we took goats to the Vet we lost them anyway.

You have to do what you can & sometimes what you think you can't.

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