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Old 05/03/07, 10:24 AM
 
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Safe-Guard dewormer question

My vet has recommended this dewormer so I assume it is still effective in this area. He recommended it at 10mg/kg which is double the horse dosage. I've had my goats for almost one year and this is the first time I have dewormed them and have no idea if they had been dewormed before I purchased them. How often should I repeat it? Every day for 3 days (as directed on the package for horses) or in another 10 days as I've seen mentioned on the boards?

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Old 05/03/07, 10:27 AM
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Three days is fine. We've done that many times here.

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Old 05/03/07, 10:56 AM
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Do you know any other goat breeders in your area?? It would be good to ask them if it is still affective in your area, as they should have hands-on experience with worming goats. Most vets around here still reccomend it, though in truth it is about as effective as worming with water.
Failing that, I would use it, then have my vet do a fecal to see if its working. Better to find out that way and take steps, than to find out by losing a goat to resistant worms. This is a good idea, no matter what wormer you decide to use.

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Safeguard still should work in your area. My regimen is worm, then follow up dose 10-14 days later. And I would triple the Safeguard dose. It's almost impossible to get any ill effects from that wormer even in mega doses. You don't want to underworm.

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Everyone I know alternates between at least three different wormers. We've not had a resistence problem around here because of it.

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I've read that alot of people use Ivomec or Cydectin. I can't find either here in Ontario. The stuff my vet does have could be Ivomec, at least I remember him calling it something close to that, but he only sells it in large quantity jugs and he said it would be expired long before I could use even a quarter of it. There really are no pet goats or show goats in this area. There are only a couple big goat farming operations and that is who he deals with mostly - no one or two goat families other than us! Do farm supply stores carry those brands or do you get them from the vet? I live close to the Ontario/Michigan border and may just slip over to a farm supply store in Michigan and get some if that's where it can be found.

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Ask the vet what worms safeguard is working on? Ask one person who uses it what was the worm egg numbers before and then after use, what worm eggs and biggy here....how long until those numbers were right back to what they were before...because Safeguard does not evacuate or kill adult worms, even Emily's water reference would evacuate eggs from fecal. Twice the dosage for 3 days in a row, is really expensive, a whole lot of drug for a goats liver to process...and still no milkwithdrawal??? Yep safe for the goats, safe for the milk and safe for the WORMS! It makes absolutly no sense that you would use anything 3 days in a row, who fecaled to find out it needed to go three days? Why not 2 or 4 days? You are just guessing with information like this and thankfully being in Ontario, lots of good hard freeze, new to goats, no goat saturation in your pens or pastures, you could worm with water and get by with it. Rotating between wormers won't give you resistance right away, you haven't had goats long enough, but when you do see it, it will be with the two classes of drug you are using, then what will you use?

Order your drugs and wormers via catalogs, it's exactly where vets and feed stores order theres, it saves you soo much money, and comes without the vets or feed store folks opinion Vicki

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It makes absolutly no sense that you would use anything 3 days in a row, who fecaled to find out it needed to go three days? Why not 2 or 4 days? You are just guessing with information like this and thankfully being in Ontario, lots of good hard freeze, new to goats, no goat saturation in your pens or pastures, you could worm with water and get by with it.

Order your drugs and wormers via catalogs, it's exactly where vets and feed stores order theres, it saves you soo much money, and comes without the vets or feed store folks opinion Vicki

As for the 3 day in a row instructions, no I am not guessing - those are the instructions from the manufacturer as printed on the box! I posted the question to see what others do since, as I mentioned in my initial post, I have read where some people dose every 10 days. Yes, I am new to goats - THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING! Nobody fecaled - it's something I do routinely with my dogs and cats and something my vet recommended that I do with my goats. Good enough?

Actually since my vet specializes in goats and cows, I value his opinion when it comes to medication that I will be giving my goats! When he gave me the name and dosage of the dewormer to use I assumed I would only use it once, but the BOX states to use it three days in a row - that's why I was asking.
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Honestly, I would not assume it's still effective just because a vet recommended it. Our vet still recommends it too, even though it doesn't work. It may still work for you, but it is completely ineffective in a lot of areas. If you do decide to go ahead with Safeguard, make sure you recheck fecals afterwards to see if it was effective. Chances are pretty high that it won't do a thing.


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My vet has recommended this dewormer so I assume it is still effective in this area. He recommended it at 10mg/kg which is double the horse dosage. I've had my goats for almost one year and this is the first time I have dewormed them and have no idea if they had been dewormed before I purchased them. How often should I repeat it? Every day for 3 days (as directed on the package for horses) or in another 10 days as I've seen mentioned on the boards?
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