Vicki, what is sulfa?

[thaiblue12]

I have gone to 3 feed stores and they look at me like I speak alien. None of them have a clue what it is. Where do I find it and does it have a longer name?
Besides sulfa and Albon for the cocci is there anything else I should run around trying to find for the 2 week old bottle baby?
Give me a good list so I can feel like I am going nowhere...lol

[chris30523]

If I am not mistaken the Albon is a Sulfa medication.That is what I am giving my kids for coccidiosis.

[SherrieT]

Sulmet is the product name of another

[trnubian]

Albon, Cor-Rid, Sulmet, Di-Methox and many more are sulfas/ It is a type of anti-biotic. I have had no luck finding them at feed stores so I just order them from Jeffers or PBS. You can get them at your vet too. I use sulmet or albon. Cor-Rid is bad for goats and it never worked for our herd.

[chris30523]

Any body know where to get a small container.I bought Albon at the feed store and it only comes in 1 gallon containers. Will it keep .It will take me years to use a gallon.

[trnubian]

I buy sulmet in 1 pt. containers. It isn't quite as good as albon, but it still works. Yes your albon should keep for a long time. Look at the expiration date on it. It seems to last awhile. Just make sure it doesn't freeze if it does it loses it's potency. Can you find a friend who has goats who will by the other half of of you? Thats what a lot of people I know do.

[thaiblue12]

So Albon is a sulfa. I had that for my dog in little pills when he had a parasite. The feed store had a really long sulfa name and it said it was for treatment/prevent of pnuemonia and a couple of other things in cows. But that was all I could find. Was not sure it was correct.
Vicki posted to someone on here some good advice but I just can't manage to do it.
There are no goat people around me. There are cow people, some horse people and my personal favorite when the wind is blowing the right way a large turkey farm.
So if I find the Abon then that takes care of the cooci and the need for sulfa?
Thanks

[Jim S.]

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[thaiblue12]

What is up with this pigs and poultry? I saw a couple things in the feed store for them. They do not seem to be in the same family to me.
Ok so the sulfamethazine treats any cocci as well as prevents/treats pnuemonia and such. At least that was what the package implied.
So if I buy that then I am fairly well covered? If I find it package in aureomycin for pigs I can still use it?
But still need to find a regular wormer? I found Safegard but it again is for horses. Fen..something is the active ingredient.
Jim how do I know you aren't a Vicki? Maybe not THE Vicki but still a Vicki? lol

[ozark_jewels]

I use the Sulmet liquid. It comes in one pint white plastic bottles with black writing and will usually be in the poultry section of feed/farm stores. The directions are for cattle and poultry, follow the cattle directions. It runs about $7.00.

[chris30523]

I am in the same boat.No goat people around me.In fact the local cattlemen laugh at me and my goats.Lots of chickens too (we are the chicken capitol).In fact I have about 18000 of them.I sure do wish I could make the money on goats I make on chickens. I could get rid of the chickens and the cattlemen would quit laughing. Oh well I guess I will have Albon for a while.I have the same problem with those pour on wormers they only have huge containers for cattle.

[Vicki McGaugh TX Nubians]

Picking up products at your feed store and TSC is a huge waste of money. Use Jeffers call and get catalogs 1800 jeffers if you aren't an internet orderer, plus then you can get better products.

Albon, Sulmet, Dimethox, Sulfaquinoxiline are all sulfas.

Using sulmet in the little white bottle is way to much liquid to give to a goat orally you will very likely aspirate some into their lungs. You can also dilute sulfas with water in differeing dosages (but the same mg/kg) so you give less.

I give advice for new folks to use sulfas because they treat many things...cocci, baterial pnemonia, bacterial scoures...where I use Corid (didn't have any problem getting it this year) because I use it specifically for cocci.

Sulfa's are really the perfect drug to use on incoming stock, because used correctly orally not in the drinking water, it helps with the stress of shipping, that brings on the cocci etc... Dimethox which is areally and IV drug, is used orally at 1cc per 10 pounds the first day and then 1/2 cc per 10 pounds day 2, 3, 4 and 5...repeat every 21 days until the kid is well grown, is a very good product for infant goatlings, both in your herd but that you purchase. When adults need treatment, when purchased new I get albon from my vet,they like the taste of it which makes it easy to give.

But for treating cocci, not prevention, I use Corid and banamine. Vicki

[ozark_jewels]

Originally Posted by Vicki McGaugh TX Nubians

But for treating cocci, not prevention, I use Corid and banamine. Vicki

You treat cocci with Banamine?? Is this for inflamation of the gut or??

[ozark_jewels]

Originally Posted by Vicki McGaugh TX Nubians

Using sulmet in the little white bottle is way to much liquid to give to a goat orally you will very likely aspirate some into their lungs.

Kids fight *anything* being given orally that doesn't come from a nipple, so I tube them if I have to treat with anything oral, which is rare. But if your not an experienced tuber, this is probably not a good idea.

[Vicki McGaugh TX Nubians]

I wish that folks would roll banamine off thier tongue more often than they do soo many other things...

Banamine is a wonderful tool, it stops the spastic gut when a kid has diarrhea, takes the edge off pain so a kid or adult will eat and move around, brings down fever, and brings down inflammation. Used for cocci it will stop the trauma cocci does to the intestinal lining, it stops the inflammation of the lungs in pnemonia and helps bring the inflammation of the udder down in mastitis. It really is a must have, one of the most used drugs I actaully use each year that I get from the vet...most others are purchased, but only used in customers goats, or thrown out at expiration. I also use it after disbudding on kids who don't take it well. Vicki

[ozark_jewels]

Hmm, I knew about the rest, but had never heard of the cocci help...useful!

[thaiblue12]

I am fine with ordering online once I know what I am suppose to be getting. I have ordered from Jeffers Pet before. I will visit their livestock section.
I just wanted to be able to give it to her sooner than later.
Thank you very much for all this info.

Oh and Chris you have 17,999 more chickens than I would have! lol

[moonspinner]

Sulmet works perfect for my little nigerian kids, but I hadn't thought about the larger doses needed for the standards.

[Jillis]

The dose for Sulmet is 1 cc per 5 lbs of body weight on day one, and 1 cc per 10 lbs of body weight for days 4 through 5.
We had a terrible cocci epidemic when I brought home the bottle babies from the big dairy.
It kept on coming back and they were getting pnuemonia and etc.
It didn't end until I gave them the Sulmet treatment.
I think the other thing I did right that time was make sure that I didn't give the Sulmet the same time that I gave the milk, and then giving them probiotic powder in their milk.

After that, we had no more problems.

I like the Sulmet for that reason---the Albion is the same thing, I think.

[Vicki McGaugh TX Nubians]

The dose for Sulmet is 1 cc per 5 lbs of body weight on day one, and 1 cc per 10 lbs of body weight for days 4 through 5.
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If you read the instructions this is not true, especially if you do the mg/kg found in goat medicine. It's like 60cc per 100 pounds...that's alot more than 1cc per 5 pounds! We have the dosage down on our site done off the mg/kg's per goat medicine. Its' the same with corrid, using it at calf dosage is the reason folks say corrid doesn't work, using the mg/kg in goat medicine we also have 3 different strengths for it also on our site. vicki