Can you guess the breed?

[HomesteadBaker]

Can you give a guess as to the breed of these 2 girls? I was told Nubian/Boer cross...... due to the ears, I think NOT! What do you think?

The girls were about 4 months old in these pics.





Kitty

[Jim S.]

Ain't much Boer in 'em, if any at all. I'd say none. Tons of leg, dairy goat skinny, airplane ears. Nuff said.

[moosemaniac]

Boer/Alpine

[Jim S.]

Percentage Boer kids, for comparison:

[hoggie]

could there be a touch of my friend the Guernsey in the second one ?

hoggie

[ozark_jewels]

The first kid looks mostly dairy if not all. I did have a Boer/Oberhasli who looked a lot like that. Very dairy herself but her Boer kids when bred to my FB Boer buck...WOW!!

The second kid could be Boer/Alpine or my guess would be the dairy part is Saanen. She does look like she could be part Boer though....her thick bones and fleshy body. They are both in the awkward, gawky stage....many kids go through a leaner stage about then. But yeah, I *very* much doubt they are Nubian/Boer!! Here are some pics of my Nubian/Boer kids.....see the difference?

[ozark_jewels]

Originally Posted by Jim S.

Percentage Boer kids, for comparison:

Yeah, but those aren't first generation Boer kids off of a dairy doe.....big difference in the first generation look.

[Jim S.]

Pic #2 is, Emily.

[ozark_jewels]

Originally Posted by Jim S.

Pic #2 is, Emily.

Ah good. What breed??

[ozark_jewels]

Also makes a big difference which side the Boer genetics came in on. If it was a fullblood Boer who sired the kids on dairy does, they'll have a lot more of the Boer qualities than they will if the sire was a dairy buck on a Boer doe. The buck has the biggest influence on the kids. Want more dairy influence, use a dairy buck on a Boer doe. Want more Boer influence, use a Boer buck on a dairy doe.
And then there are the skads of people who have told me that the kids are 1/2 Boer because the sire was part Boer and the mother was dairy......nope, not half Boer unless one parent was FB Boer. Percentage Boer bucks can sire kids that are very unboer like.

[HomesteadBaker]

I was told 3/4 Nubian 1/4 Boer..... I am doubting the Nubian part. My guess for the "dairy look" is Saanen?

I have seen Nubians crossed with other breeds, and the Nubian ears always seem to be a dominant characteristic of offspring.

Kitty

[ozark_jewels]

Originally Posted by HomesteadBaker

I was told 3/4 Nubian 1/4 Boer..... I am doubting the Nubian part. My guess for the "dairy look" is Saanen?

Nope, its not Nubian. The second kid does look like Boer/Saanens I have had...the 1st kid is not Saanen. Do you know if the dam was supposed to part Boer or if it was the sire??

[Jim S.]

Heck, I dunno what breed, but it's crossed-up dairy. Papers mean zilch to me, not worth the trees it took to print them as far as what makes a good goat.

Also, pic #3, the 2 on the left, are from dairy crossed-up goats. Neither mama had a speck of Boer in her, I know for a fact, cuz they were bought locally from a guy I've known well for years.

Heck, even daddy was only half Boer.

Fact is, everybody and their brother (or sister) around here is saying "they are part Boer" or "they are Boer cross." Makes 'em sell higher, that's true, especially to someone who is unsure. The 2 in the OP might have some Boer in there, but it'd be a very small percentage. Those I show in pic #2 and the 2 on the left in pic #3 are 25%. The top pic is not more than a third or so. The one on the right in #3 is no more than a third or so.

In your pic, I see more Boer than in the OP. Yours have the short, slightly Roman nose and Boer ears, the wider chest, even though they did not get a lot of heavy muscling out of the cross.

[moosemaniac]

I had a couple of 50/50 Alpine Boer and they looked just like that.

Ruth

[Jim S.]

Originally Posted by moosemaniac

I had a couple of 50/50 Alpine Boer and they looked just like that.

Ruth

OK then Ruth, I'll stand corrected. But if that's what that cross makes, there ain't a whole lot of meat there. Wouldn't work out for me at all. There's hardly any Boer attributes expressed in those two goats.

[moosemaniac]

Originally Posted by Jim S.

OK then Ruth, I'll stand corrected. But if that's what that cross makes, there ain't a whole lot of meat there.

You are absolutely correct. But their kids are much meatier and grow very quickly.

Ruth

[ozark_jewels]

Originally Posted by moosemaniac

You are absolutely correct. But their kids are much meatier and grow very quickly.

Ruth

Yep, thats why I like to keep the Boer/Dairy does and sell the second generation Boer crosses off those does. Lots of size and meat.

[ozark_jewels]

Originally Posted by Jim S.

Heck, I dunno what breed, but it's crossed-up dairy. Papers mean zilch to me, not worth the trees it took to print them as far as what makes a good goat.
In your pic, I see more Boer than in the OP. Yours have the short, slightly Roman nose and Boer ears, the wider chest, even though they did not get a lot of heavy muscling out of the cross.

Jim, I didn't ask you to be snotty. I asked you out of comparison to the origial posters goats. I wasn't asking about papers...I was asking about breed. I keep crossed up goats too, quality ain't in the papers...its in the goat!
The kids in my pic were from a Nubian doe I bought from a friend when she was about ready to pop. The sire was a percentage Boer, so those kids are less than 50% Boer.
The 1st generation crosses will be much meatier than the pure dairy.....but the second generation cross is where it really pays off....mmm-mmm!

[moosemaniac]

Originally Posted by ozark_jewels

The 1st generation crosses will be much meatier than the pure dairy.....but the second generation cross is where it really pays off....mmm-mmm!

I'm getting my first babies now from my boer nubian cross does. The babies so far are pretty hefty and growing like weeds!

Ruth

[HomesteadBaker]

Here are pics of the girls today at about 13 months old. I have no idea of their parentage... I don't think the folks (older and in ill health) we bought them from even knew. They were as wild as a "March hare" when we got them. We knew they were "mutt" goats, I knew they were long and thin like dairy goats, and that is what we wanted them for. Papers don't fill the milk bucket... and besides, my "mutt" goat is by far the easier milker and better producer than my 100% Nubian doe! That said, I love all my goats! LOL

Patches is the first one, and she may or may not be pregnant... I think she is trying to keep a secret!


The second one is Butterscotch with her 2 week old 50% Nubian buckling (his sire is 100% Nubian)... note his ears! LOL