Help please! Vet doesnt know...

[Ark]

4 day old kid with low temp = 98.2

Not eating real well.

Sleeps peacefully but then suddenly wakes up screaming!

Sometimes she gets up quick and cries in pain for a bit before lying back down.

What could this be?

I'll check back in in a few minutes - gotta go try to get her to eat.

[Idahoe]

If her temp is really 98.2 she is near death from low body temp. Put her in warm bathwater ASAP, don't feed her, just warm her up until her temp is normal 102 - 103.

[trob1]

This baby needs C,D antioxin. 10cc sup q and 10 cc orally on empty stomach or you will lose her. Put her on a heating pad to warm her up and do not feed milk till temp is up to 100 degrees. If you do not have this on hand you wont have much luck but if she makes it through the night get this from the vet or farm store asap.

[cseger1]

Having just save a CD/T vaccinated kid from enterotoxemia with a VERY aggressive dose of CD antitoxin, I am a HUGE proponent of trying it on any kid on death's door. ...ours had normal temp - so can't necessarily compare with yours but the antitoxin cannot hurt, and just might save many kids with inexplicable weaknesses or failures.

We are still sorting through our whole episode, but I learned a valuable newbie lesson about the CD antitoxin being a VITAL part of your med chest. (It was not in ours)

I'm sorry I can't be more helpful to your specific situation, but I encourage you to try these other suggestions ASAP. I know how stressful this is - try to keep steady.

[Ark]

This afternoon about 4:00 I gave her some banamine and nuflor.
She has been acting like she is in pain, and I hated to wait too long... I know how quickly they can die on you!
So, yall are saying CD&T in case it is entero?
Just took her temp again and it is up to 98.9 - up a little but not enough!!!

[fishhead]

CD/T is a vaccine. That takes a long time for the kids immune system to make the antibodies.

You want the CD antitoxin. The effect will be very fast and won't hurt the kid. It's only purpose is to deactivate the toxins produced by the bacteria.

Probiotics too to repopulate the gut with good bacteria. Some pepto bismo would be good too. It coats the stomach and reduces the damage the toxin produced by the bacteria does to the stomach lining.

Is she stopped up?

[Ark]

just read (http://www.jackmauldin.com/diseases.htm):

Enterotoxaemia –
Sudden loss of appetite. Depression and a drunken appearance. As it progresses the animal becomes unable to stand and lies on side making paddling movements. ************High temperature*********. Very watery diarrhea.


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am holding her while typing

i think i have the cd antitoxin

going to check the bottle right now

thanks all

[fishhead]

Here's another good article on entero and treatment. I forgot to suggest some baking soda to buffer the acid produced.

http://www.goatworld.com/articles/en...toxemia3.shtml

[Patty0315]

Go to dairygoat info.com and read the goat101 section.

NEVER give bantamine to anything with a low temp , it will make it drop more. This kid will die if you do not get the temp up soon. Warm water soak , warm towels , lay her by the heater something. Sub q injection of fluid , b vit baking soda and warm milk once her temp is up

[naturewoman]

if you fear getting her wet, throw some towels in the dryer on high and wrap them around her successively, as soon as the first one starts to cool down, throw it back in the dryer and immediately wrap her in the next one...it will bring her temp back up pretty quickly. Do you have an electric lap blanket? Wrapping her in one of those, once her temp is up might help.

[Ark]

yeah, the banamine was before her temp was down.

just checked and the heating pad is doing the job. temp is up to 101.5.

she is acting worse and worse.

not stopped up or diarrhea.

probably dehydrated.

just gave the c and d antitoxin after reading as much as possible on other sites. I HOPE I DID THE RIGHT THING!! SHE SCREAMED AND SCREAMED AND WHEN I WAS DONE SHE WAS REALLY LIMP.

she drank a TINY bit of warm water with baking soda in it.

is very limp and breathing labored.

[Vicki McGaugh TX Nubians]

4 day old kids do not get entero. Not all livestock or pets for that matter, can make it from utero to out and live, you have to expect loss, saving everything will weaken your whole herd. Everything on all forums is blamed on entero right now, the entero treatments some have you give will kill your kid. Entero strikes agressively growing kids, usually your largest best kid in the pen, that does not include a 4 day old kid.

All you can do is get the kid warm, make sure the kid is pooping and make sure it is eating. If it can't live with basic care (and your vet surely would know if it's a infant disease of diarrhea), than there is something wrong internally. Put the kid down. Vicki

[Ark]

I went ahead and gave the cd anti toxin because sue reiths article says:

"Keep in mind that the CD Antitoxin has only one function. That is to destroy on contact any entero toxins detected in the gut. So if, due to the animal's own immune system having sufficient antibodies present, there are NO entero toxins developing in the stopped-up gut, it has no other role to play and will just dissipate from the goat's system."

[white eagle]

If the goat isn't any better you need to get it to the VET ASAP. Sometimes you can fight and fight and not know what the real case is until go to VET. I hope the little goat is doing better today if not need to get to VET. Not trying to sound - but the kid may have sometype of health problem it was born with. Never know.

GL

[fishhead]

Is she okay?

[trob1]

I had a kid shortly after being born go from a temp of 92 to just fine in 24 hours and today he is 10 weeks old and running in my field as pretty as you please. If your bottom line is profit then putting a sick or weak kid down is understandable but if like me it is not then I personally try all I can to give each kid a fair shake at life. Enthro treatment with C,d antitioxin alone will not kill a kid and may just save it. IMO everyone needs to have C,D antitoxin on hand. I am pulling for this kid and in a few weeks when she is better you will have quite the spoiled lady on your hands. Let us know how she is this morning.

[Jillis]

Originally Posted by Vicki McGaugh TX Nubians

4 day old kids do not get entero. Not all livestock or pets for that matter, can make it from utero to out and live, you have to expect loss, saving everything will weaken your whole herd. Everything on all forums is blamed on entero right now, the entero treatments some have you give will kill your kid. Entero strikes agressively growing kids, usually your largest best kid in the pen, that does not include a 4 day old kid.

All you can do is get the kid warm, make sure the kid is pooping and make sure it is eating. If it can't live with basic care (and your vet surely would know if it's a infant disease of diarrhea), than there is something wrong internally. Put the kid down. Vicki

Vicki, what is the reason that enterotoxemia attacks the largest, most vigorously growing kids?

[moosemaniac]

If you don't have a heating pad, blankets and hot water bottles help. You can even heat those cold packs in the microwave.

Ruth

[squeakers girl]

It sounds kinda like septicemia to me. I saw a very young foal die from it. The foal was cold, low temp, with blue gums, was doing good,nursing from a bottle, playing, then she started sleeping more, and finally just collapsed while she was walking and went downhill so fast. Then she would try to get up but she was too weak, not eating or drinking. She would kinda flop around a little.
If your kid has septicemia there's very little chance it'll live.
Fluids must be replaced and a broad spectrum antibiotic is given. Keep the baby warm, keep trying to feed him.

[Ark]

Last night at 10pm, I wouldnt have thought she would live 10 more minutes!
I finally went to bed, exhausted.
She cried a lot in the night, and I fed her every time. 2 swallows was the max she would take though.
The good news is that she is still alive, temp 101.8, and even cried to get up and pee this morning! She kept crying until I figured out the problem. She cant stand on her own, but I supported her, and she peed. (funny, the things that make me happy.)
I'm keeping her warm with the heating pad.

This morning her eyes are starting to look cloudy. What could that be? The buck kid that I got from the same guy had a VERY cloudy eye when I got him that took 9 days to clear up, using colloidal silver spray. But, could that be related to whatever sickness she has?