 |
|
03/21/07, 10:34 AM
|
|
Plays with yarn
|
|
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Central Indiana
Posts: 508
|
|
|
Organizations other than ADGA?
Are there any viable alternatives to ADGA? I chose not to join them due to their pro-NAIS stance.
__________________
Though it be little, better to live in a house you hold as your own;
with just two goats, thin thatch for your roof,
you're better off than begging. ~ Hávamál
|
03/21/07, 10:52 AM
|
|
|
|
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Attica, IN
Posts: 317
|
|
|
There is the American Goat Society (AGS) Not sure what there stance is though.
International Dairy Goat Registry (IDGR) I believe that they are anti-NAIS. I think that there were several other people on here that switched to this registry. Maybe one of them can tell you more.
The only shows around here are ADGA shows though. But if you aren't showing, not as big of a deal.
Carisa
__________________
Carisa Engel
Lyceum and Engel Farms Dairy Goats
Attica, IN
www.teamplayerusedbooks.webs.com
Team Player Sports Cards and Used Books
Tons of Books For Sale on Website
|
03/21/07, 02:35 PM
|
 |
|
|
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Texas
Posts: 2,210
|
|
|
Are you planning on showing? If not, I agree that with the above poster that it shouldn't be a big deal. You could then show buyers that you could have registered them, but chose not to.
|
03/21/07, 07:26 PM
|
|
|
|
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Wisconsin
Posts: 2,980
|
|
|
I'm not sure what AGS's stand on NAIS is as I just searched their website (which isn't very good) and can't find yes or no on it. BUT a lot of my nigerian breeder friends who are VERY anti-NAIS still register AGS and show thru them and are totally boycotting ADGA.
AGS, I DO know is a great registry to work with - very prompt, correct, helpful. I really like them.
__________________
ADGA Nigerian Dwarf and MDGA Mini Mancha goats for show, home use and pets www.dbarjacres.webs.com Located in North central Wisconsin
|
03/21/07, 08:02 PM
|
 |
|
|
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Wisconsin
Posts: 599
|
|
|
AGS is a great purebred registry! Overall, they are opposed to NAIS.
I've read on numerous lists that many are also registering with IDGA and like them as well.
As for showing, there will be 4 shows (multi ring) here in Wisconsin/Illinois that are either AGS sanctioned or dual sanctioned. It's catching on! If you want to show, then consider putting a show on yourself!
You are not alone in boycotting ADGA, I cancelled my membership with them when they came out in favor of NAIS and apparently, so have alot of other breeders.
|
03/21/07, 08:13 PM
|
 |
Nubian dairy goat breeder
|
|
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: michigan
Posts: 4,465
|
|
|
i think there is no registry like adga. they have a very good database for pedigree search, linear apraisals and are always very helpful. do the othere registries have that as well? i went to idga website and was very dissapointed.
i'm still an adga member and planning to be one in the future.
|
03/21/07, 08:15 PM
|
|
|
|
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Attica, IN
Posts: 317
|
|
|
AGS is wonderful. If you goof on an application, instead of sending it back, they will call you and correct it over the phone. ADGA sends it back, unless you reply to their emails the day they send it, and then they still send you the paper to correct it. I register my NDs with AGS. ADGA wants me to pay more to transfer them, not doing that. The rest of our goats are ADGA registered since we do not show outside of IN and there are few if any AGS shows close enough.
Carisa
__________________
Carisa Engel
Lyceum and Engel Farms Dairy Goats
Attica, IN
www.teamplayerusedbooks.webs.com
Team Player Sports Cards and Used Books
Tons of Books For Sale on Website
|
03/21/07, 08:32 PM
|
|
Plays with yarn
|
|
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Central Indiana
Posts: 508
|
|
|
Thanks for the info on AGS. I had searched their website and couldn't tell one way or the other. I also looked at IDGA but I wasn't sure about how large they were.
We're not looking to show until our son gets a few years older, but want to keep the opportunity to register our goats for sales purposes. I'm also looking for information and the opportunity to network with other goatkeepers in our area.
__________________
Though it be little, better to live in a house you hold as your own;
with just two goats, thin thatch for your roof,
you're better off than begging. ~ Hávamál
|
03/21/07, 08:34 PM
|
 |
|
|
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Missouri
Posts: 9,208
|
|
|
I would love to go with the AGS but since I breed Americans, Purebreds and Grades......they aren't a very viable option. Wish they were....
__________________
Emily Dixon
Ozark Jewels
Nubians & Lamanchas
www.ozarkjewels.net
"Remember, no man is a failure, who has friends" -Clarence
|
03/21/07, 08:44 PM
|
 |
le person
|
|
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Arkansas
Posts: 6,236
|
|
|
Wouldn't it be harder to sell your goat's offspring if they are not ADGA redistered, but registered with someone else?
I didn't know this about ADGA and I am vehememntly against NAIS. I haven't joined yet, I hate to give them any money now.
|
03/21/07, 08:53 PM
|
|
|
|
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Attica, IN
Posts: 317
|
|
|
The only problem with not registering with ADGA is sales. There are very few people that would buy a non-ADGA registered animal. The fact that AGS doesn't register Americans is also going to be a problem. If I just had NDs, I would use AGS exclusively, but I don't.
Carisa
__________________
Carisa Engel
Lyceum and Engel Farms Dairy Goats
Attica, IN
www.teamplayerusedbooks.webs.com
Team Player Sports Cards and Used Books
Tons of Books For Sale on Website
|
03/21/07, 11:26 PM
|
|
|
|
Join Date: May 2002
Location: North of Houston TX
Posts: 4,817
|
|
|
Delete
__________________
Vicki McGaugh
Nubian Soaps
North of Houston TX
www.etsy.com/shop/nubiansoaps
A 3 decade dairy goat farm homestead that is now a retail/wholesale soap company and construction business.
Last edited by Vicki McGaugh TX Nubians; 03/21/07 at 11:29 PM.
Reason: Been there done that
|
03/22/07, 07:42 AM
|
 |
Banned
|
|
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: North East, PA in Northwestern PA
Posts: 1,662
|
|
|
I believe you don't have to join ADGA to register goats with ADGA. You might look into it.
I am a member. That doesn't mean I have to agree with all their politics. It's kind of like voting for a senator on only one issue. You have to look at the whole picture.
Ruth
|
03/22/07, 04:36 PM
|
 |
|
|
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Indiana
Posts: 874
|
|
|
attention
Just wanted to let anyone following this thread that I'm Still a card carrying member of good standing with the ADGA,
this is a post by a Different Sherrie C in Indiana  a Sherri C not the dedicated goat fanatic SherrieC Who can't wait for the shows, and appraisals
__________________
BryrPatch Quality Handmade Goat milk Soap, Lotions; ADGA Dairy Goats, DHIR, LA, Shows, Current whole herd CAE neg tests. We R Kidding now! www.BryrPatch.com
|
03/22/07, 08:12 PM
|
|
Plays with yarn
|
|
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Central Indiana
Posts: 508
|
|
|
check the join date
Sorry for the confusion. I've been Sherri C way back since the original Countryside forum and I'm Sherri C on every other homesteading forum where I post. 
Surely the goat world is big enough for two Sherri(e)s? :baby04:
__________________
Though it be little, better to live in a house you hold as your own;
with just two goats, thin thatch for your roof,
you're better off than begging. ~ Hávamál
Last edited by Sherri C; 03/22/07 at 08:13 PM.
Reason: typo
|
03/22/07, 09:08 PM
|
|
|
|
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Indiana
Posts: 874
|
|
|
yep me too! I've been SherrieC since wayyy back on the other forum 2001. Who cares about this join date. Dairy Goats are my business venture. I've been raising them since 1995. ADGA member since 1997 I don't want my customers confused about where I stand.
__________________
BryrPatch Quality Handmade Goat milk Soap, Lotions; ADGA Dairy Goats, DHIR, LA, Shows, Current whole herd CAE neg tests. We R Kidding now! www.BryrPatch.com
|
03/22/07, 09:11 PM
|
|
|
|
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Wisconsin
Posts: 599
|
|
|
Not having goats registered with ADGA has had no impact whatsoever on my sales. My goats are registered AGS and I have NEVER had even one person ask if they were registered ADGA as well.
For those in IN. if your goats are purebreeds, it is very easy and affordable to put on an AGS show. It can be done for about half the price of an ADGA show. And they are very helpful and supportive.
AGS does have a pedigree database, at least for ND's, haven't inquired about other breeds, but have to assume if they have one , they have the others.
|
03/22/07, 09:22 PM
|
|
Plays with yarn
|
|
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Central Indiana
Posts: 508
|
|
|
Hopefully the difference in our signature lines will be sufficient to avoid confusion. If anyone accidentally contacts me when they really want you I'll be sure to send them your way.
BTW, I'm already working on getting my user name changed on the other goat forum so we don't run into the same issue over there.
__________________
Though it be little, better to live in a house you hold as your own;
with just two goats, thin thatch for your roof,
you're better off than begging. ~ Hávamál
|
03/22/07, 09:42 PM
|
|
|
|
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Texas
Posts: 2,210
|
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Sherri C
Are there any viable alternatives to ADGA? I chose not to join them due to their pro-NAIS stance.
|
Personally, I admire your stance on the issue. 
|
03/23/07, 12:13 PM
|
|
|
|
Join Date: May 2002
Location: North of Houston TX
Posts: 4,817
|
|
|
The cost of putting on a show is not the sanction paperwork with ADGA it is the rental and insurance of the facility. ANY AGS animal can show at an ADGA show...make sure your decision is based on facts. All NATIONAL livestock regsitries...horse, pig, cattle, AGS and ADGA, the ABGA and other boer goat registries can have whatever stance they want...tied with the scrapie issue with our tattoos instead of ear tags...which is what folks wanted..you will be given up to big brother if they ask for your information, because of tracking of disease. So your only alternative really is going with one of the small private (no shows, no appraisals, no nothing) which in reality you can keep this same paperwork yourself. Will it hurt sales, no if you are not already purchasing ADGA or AGS registered stock it won't.
But I will say this, if you don't want to have anything to do with ADGA than please get all the bells and whistles of ADGA Stock, their appraisal scores, their show wins, their extended pedigrees off your websites...we pay for these programs, you use them for free and then bash ADGA? Use the programs these private programs have! Vicki
__________________
Vicki McGaugh
Nubian Soaps
North of Houston TX
www.etsy.com/shop/nubiansoaps
A 3 decade dairy goat farm homestead that is now a retail/wholesale soap company and construction business.
Last edited by Vicki McGaugh TX Nubians; 03/23/07 at 12:21 PM.
|
Posting Rules
|
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is Off
|
|
|
All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:08 PM.
|
|
