Question on breeding outside does

[CountryHaven]

If any of you have bucks that you allow to stand for outside does that come to him. What kind of policy do you have on incoming health? What do you require of the doe owners to provide for the saftey of your own animals. Also, what kind of policy do you have should something happen to the other person's doe while in your care?

[bumpus]

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If any of those does have any kind of disease it could transfer to your buck and he could pass it on to all of your does, or any other does he breads.

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[CountryHaven]

Well I understand that. That's why I asked what kind of health questions to require, vet health certificates, etc.

[bumpus]

Originally Posted by CountryHaven

Well I understand that. That's why I asked what kind of health questions to require, vet health certificates, etc.

The best protection one would have would require all outside animals to be bread to be vet checked first and certified clean from any disease.

And the next day they could be transported, to your farm in a contaminated trailer, and still contract some kind of disease, and you would never know it.

When they come to your farm they could contaminate your farm.

I do not believe in 100% safety, even if a vet checks them.

All breading is a gamble, and never 100% safe.

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[CountryHaven]

LOL I understand that Bumpus.

Perhaps I should re-word this question. I know I would want the does vet certified clear of CAE and CL. What I'd like to know is -- beyond CAE and CL and vet inspection for soremouth etc, are there any other things I should be thinking about asking?

All this is pretty academic, it's just something considered.

[devdragon33]

Johnes, hoof rot is a big thing, make sure they are up to date on shots and deliced, and as for their animal just tell them that you will give their animal the same care and attention that you give your animals. That you are not responsible for any accidents/ acts of god. Make them sign a paper that states that they understand that something might happen that is out of your control. Also that they leave their goat there for a set amount of time (we had one lady leave hers here for close to 2 months) and that they understand that you do not gaurentee live births or birth defects (mom could carry something genetically or could miscarry).

[lyceum]

We only offer outside breeding to people that we know really well. We make sure that their herds are clean and the animals are healthy before allowing them to breed a doe to one of our bucks.

Carisa

[CountryHaven]

Thanks Dev, lots of good points. That's the kind of info I was looking for.

Yeah, Carisa, I'm not sure if I'm going to do it or not. Just things to think about.

[devdragon33]

what we did to make things a little easier on us is that we bought our boer buck with a friend of ours (an older lady who first got us into loving goats) and she keeps our buck for 6 months out of the year and uses him for breedings (she drops her kids later in the year then us- ours dropped in Feb. and her drop in June/July) and we keep him the other 6 months. That way we feed him half the time and she does the other half. We have let other people breed to him but we regret it every time. Either we can't get them to pick up their goat or one got mad because hers had two bucks (like you can control that?). But we charge $100.00 and they have to bring one bail of hay for each week their goat is here. (we keep hay down all the time and feed grain- so they actually get more then one hay bail each week and we provide the grain). If that helps you out any

[CountryHaven]

Yeah, that helps a lot. Thanks. LOL at being mad because the doe had twin bucks. Sorry, but funny. Jesh, you'd think people would understand that there's no controlling that... hum, maybe if we spin the buck really fast ... nah, just have a dizzy, ----ed off buck.

[moonspinner]

I require a recent CAE testand make sure I check them over before they get out of their vehicle for any lumps, soremouth, running noses, etc. I too only provide stud service on a limited basis - those I know, those who have former goats of mine, those with only a few goats. Yes, you can never be 100% safe and I totally appreciate those who don't provide stud service for bio-security reasons. You also take your chances going to shows. But taking precautions there is the advantage of getting your herd name and bloodlines out there.

[Vicki McGaugh TX Nubians]

I only board goats of friends or 4H kids of mine and they don't stay with the herd anyway, it's a quaranteen pen, a buck hand breeding a doe is not going to catch CAE, CL or Johnnes or most other disease you can test for I don't hand breed in heat does for outside folks until my bucks are through breeding me and my partners herds, then their penis are clean with nolvasan. I also put the breeding bucks who are used outside on CTC during the winter into the spring to make sure no sexually transimitted bugs caught hold past the nolvasan. I make at least the bucks feed each year in outside breeding, but I do, do alot less breeding of does left here... I have all but stopped leasing.

You have no choice if you board stock, and really almost everything else you do in goats, to have a contract. Spell it out that the person who owns the doe is responsible for all vet bills, all grain and hay etc...that if the doe is not picked up in 21 days..............fill in the blank, you charge $5 more perday? Then what? At what point can you take a doe who is not picked up (flat tires, aunt jenny died) to the auction. You also have to word your "The buck has fathered many kids, so a missed mating is likely not the fault of the buck but a doe not in heat, I will rebreed her once for free' Pretty standard...well what if like me your bucks are very very busy, and you can't breed the next month? Spell everything you can even think of out. Get paid what your buck is worth, remember this service is because they don't want a big stinky animal at their farm that costs about $300 a year to maintain...get that back in breeding fees. Vicki

[CountryHaven]

LOL Vicki thank you and I don't mean to laugh, but that 'because they don't want a big stinky animal at their farm' line had me in stitches.

Thanks for all the tips.