Is milk form a CAE doe safe to drink?

HazyDay · #1 02/26/07, 06:04 PM

Hi, My friend just called and has a reg nubain for with a little CAE in her. shes only about 11/2 years old and has just kidded a doe kid. He wants 100.00 for her but I was thinking if she infects the herd then it's not good. I keep the milkers from the Jr. does. If i do get her I will only drink her milk and feed her kids with my other does milk.
Help! I have untill March 10th and shes a good deal but if her milk is not safe to drink then 100 is not a good deal!

prairiecomforts · #2 02/26/07, 06:22 PM

As far as I know humans drinking milk from a possitivie doe is safe. I guess i have never heard any different.

Hip_Shot_Hanna · #3 02/26/07, 07:36 PM

I don't think there is such a thing as "a little CAE" anymore than there is such a thing as having "a little measles" or "a little fibromyalgia" though I would assume that there are degrees of severity.

I would NOT buy a goat that has tested to have CAE. I don't need the trouble.

HazyDay · #4 02/26/07, 07:40 PM

No she has Artistis (spelling wrong?) in her front legs. he wanted to kill her but since she was only 1 1/2 she would still make some ok kids. and I have some costrum saved and tape her teats. he just has 70 goats and doesn't have room and if afiraid she will get hurt.

susanne · #5 02/26/07, 07:51 PM

to buy a cae positive doe is never a good deal and can hurt your reputation as a breeder. if she has already arthitis in her knees she will go down hill very fast. every move, every change every kidding will worsen her condition. to see her end is not very pleasant.
yes it is save to drink her milk. you have to keep her separate from every other animal, for an animal that needs companion not a good option. you will always milk her last and change the feed bucket. it is a lot of work to keep it save for your other animals.
i would stay away.

**mygoat** · #6 02/26/07, 07:53 PM

I'd say don't get her. She can, as I understand transmission of CAE, to your other goats through feces... Which would be a fairly often contact, I'd say. I wouldn't get any goat not in tip-top condition... And just because a doe tests negative/positive, does NOT mean that the doe is save/unsafe for your herd. There are false negatives/positives.

oh, and be very careful of buying goats from that place in the future. Very careful. Just because it doesn't show signs doesn't mean that it isn't sick.

Blossomgapfarm · #7 02/26/07, 08:12 PM

I know this is your friend and that you feel sorry for the goat. Please don't think you are saving her from death if she has CAE. If she is that young and already showing signs of swollen knees, she is going to be in a lot of pain very soon. If you do not have any CAE positive does already, please don't knowingly introduce it to your farm. Managing CAE is a huge job, even for those with years of experience. Also, CAE is known to cause hard udders with little to no milk so you may not be getting a good deal in milk at all. One season of milk (this year) is not enough to introduce a problem that potentially could follow your herd for years.
Dawn

HazyDay · #8 02/26/07, 08:13 PM

Thank you! how did you know? he ripped me off with a doe that I just kidded that was sopposed to have a very nice even udder. what does she have? a very uneven! Ok I will go and look at her and tell him No i thought that if she has it and only her kids can get it. I feel bad for her! But if she will infect all of my others i will leave her alone! I don't need all my stock getting sick.

Blossomgapfarm · #9 02/26/07, 08:45 PM

Frankly, my rule is don't look unless you want to buy. If you already feel sorry for the goat you are going to feel even more so when you see her - especially with him standing there saying, "Well, if you don't take her I am going to put her down."
Dawn

HazyDay · #10 02/26/07, 08:52 PM

I know but he has a buck that I could trade for and get some of his bloodlines I seen alot of his does and wanted to take them home but knew he was selling them because of their bad habits! (trying to kill others!)
I am only looking because I only have 3 nubian does and want to get up to 10 does by the end of 2007 but 10 milkers is alot of work before school! I wanted to call some one and tell them about her but after what you said i don't want to get any more people ripped off. If some one had a herd of all does with CAE could she be good for them? I know a few people that take in animals.

Blossomgapfarm · #11 02/26/07, 10:19 PM

I can't imagine someone with a hole herd of CAE does - just would be heartbreaking. There are people around here who have CAE does but have to keep them separate. Then there are those who have it and don't know what it is. I was talking with one lady (who shows her does) who had a doe that she just did not know what was the matter with it. So she took it to a show to get some opinions! Talk about bad for the reputation - I am surprised she did not get banned from showing! They did order her to get the doe off the property immediately so she had to make the trec back home without showing that day.

And yes, 10 milkers would be a lot to do before school. 2 is a lot to do before work sometimes!

Dawn

Blossomgapfarm · #12 02/27/07, 10:39 AM

HazyDay - if you buy a doe or buck from this guy (and sounds like you already have) I would suggest changing the sentence on your website that says that you do not test for CAE but all goats on your farm come from CAE FREE herds. It is a real shame when others with much more experience take advantage of the unwary but it happens.

Do not sell any kids saying all your goats come from CAE herds or you will be doing the same thing. If I were you, I would test all my does, just to be on the safe side. Then you can sell kids from tested negative moms.
Dawn

HazyDay · #13 02/27/07, 02:04 PM

No I haven't got any He only feeds costrum from CAE free does. He is a ok breeder but buys every thing and sells it as a healthy animal and it ends up killing others. I got a doe from him and she had foot problems to make a long story short I was putting about 100.00 of meds in all my goats to keep them healthy! Thanks! Im not going to buy from him but still need to go get the does papers from him! (Paid 125.00 and still need to give him a doe kid and put so much work in her! shes walking good again but will not buy agian!)

Blossomgapfarm · #14 02/27/07, 02:47 PM

I am not saying your goats have CAE necessarily, I am just saying that you can not advertise that your goats come from CAE FREE herds if you have ANY goats that you got from him. Even if the kids are taken right at birth and raised on prevention, those kids originated on his NOT CAE FREE farm make it so you can not advertise that your kids come from CAE FREE herds. Your doe that you got from him was on his farm and whether or not she has it, you need to change the advertising. I know testing is expencive. You do have some pretty does.
Dawn

HazyDay · #15 02/27/07, 03:05 PM

oh, No I had her tested after he left! I had 2 days to take her back! she tested as not having it. I know that all my does are CAE free and only buy from closed herds. (One time!! with that doe!) And now haven't gotten any-thing from him. I wanted to go CAE free but the time it takes if to much. If a doe is showing any signs she is moved to a different barn and is tested for CAE most times it is a waste of money on my part, but is alot easier then having to sell a doe. I know first hand on what CAE does to a doe. My uncle got one and he diddn't know if she had it. (He just wanted brush control) and she went down hill. and he had to shoot her because she was down for about 3 weeks poor doe. (She had a good life! she was 9 so she lived a long life)
If I keep a closed herd does that mean I don't buy animals, or won't let a doe to breed with my buck near the others? I want to offer a stud service. Since not most people have bucks and the damand for a stud is so high I could buy a 500.00 buck and have him paid off and may be make 2 times the money!

HazyDay · #16 02/27/07, 03:08 PM

Oh thanks I will PM some of Faith's twins so had their names are
Hazy Day's Midnight Magic Spirit
Hazy Day's Lucky Chance.

I can't wait for Beth's! she looks like 4 does! and is bred to the best buck!!

Blossomgapfarm · #17 02/27/07, 06:13 PM

A closed herd means that you do not buy any animals to add to your herd, I believe. I am fairly new to goats so I don't know whether you can have buck service. I would think no but that is a guess.