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Old 02/21/07, 07:36 AM
 
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need info on pasteurella and other coughing issues

I have been trying to look into pasteurella since someone mentioned it about the alpine doe that I asked about last week. I am just trying to figure out what to do about her...and apparently others. She has been chronically sick with a runny nose and cough for months. Now there are at least three other goats that have this horroble cough/hack. They do not have a runny nose and are acting fine.
I wormed hard w/ ivermectin a few weeks ago because of the wet winter that we've had...a few of the does gums/eyes looked questionable. Does that get lung worms?
I'm really trying to get everyone healthy for kidding season...we're expecting in about two months. I hate using all of these meds...but I would rather do it now...all at once..then have thesxe problems lingering all year.

What would you do?
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Old 02/21/07, 08:17 AM
 
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Hello Dk,

I missed you original post on your doe coughing, so i might be missing some important information. Are they in the barn that is pretty air tight? Our barn isn't even exceptionally air tight and we have been running the vent fan all night. We have close to 100 head of Goats in there since all the snow came and cold temperatures. They kept it heated and the water troughs thawed through all of that 0 and below temperatures. Problem is the amount of ammonia build up in the barn. When it is cold it isn't much of a problem, but when it warmed up to 40 degrees yesterday and even in the 30's the build up seemed that much worse. So we turned on the vent fan and within minutes of turning it on usually you can see an improvement in the herd. You can tell they feel better. Anyway, high ammonia can damage their lungs and can cause a constant pneumonia. There is some research that has been done on this topic and can be located on the internet. Somebody else might have suggested this on your previous post ... if they did, sorry about the repetition on this subject.

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Old 02/21/07, 01:52 PM
 
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Really nice post...

Not only is chemical pnemonia a problem in tight barns, but the stress of living in cramped tight quarters like you see in dairies, or in barns up north during the winter, brings on pastuerella. Pasturella is found the nose of every normal goat on the planet, like enteroxemia is found in the gut and staph on the skin, and worms in the gut and cocci...well you get it Stress in the form of high humidity (like in enclosed trailer during shipping bring on shipping fever which is pasturella pnemonia) or high ammonia levels in the barn aggrevate the nasal passages and allow the pasturella with a break in immunity to flurish. Some goats with excellent immunity or perhaps they have been vaccinated will have nothing more than a runny nose (this was the curse of the southern show circuit two years ago) other goats with poor immunity will string snot, cough and die.

A really good trick is if you can kneel in your barn and don't smell ammonia, and when you stand up your knees are not wet, than your barn is fine. Ammonia smell and you need to vet your barn, wet knees and you need deeper bedding.

It hurts nothing to inject ivermectin to go after lungworms this far into pregnancy. But after that you need to deal with the barn issue, it's almost always that. Increase drainage, bedding and ventilation, an air tight barn always contains unhealthy stock. Vicki
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Old 02/22/07, 05:38 AM
 
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Thanks. Well...I know it is not the air tight issue! The goat shed has a lot of cirulation. There is no ammonia odor, but knees would probably be wet at this point. It has really only been the the past few days that it seemed wet, as it's been warmer and humid...plus all of the snow melted and we stopped feeding hay in there..so they stopped getting new layers of bedding. The cough has been before this, though.
My concern has been that this particular doe has seemed sick since we got her in October. One thing after another. She has had a bad cough with a very runny nose. This has been on-and-off since we got her--BUT other does are coughing the same cough, now. Some of my "very hardy" does that have never been ill or anything.
I did treat Tori(the coughing doe) w/ pen early on because she had horrible mastitis, but haven't treated her with anything since. I just hate to hear them all hacking like that.
Dh said he will put down another layer in there for bedding today. Thanks for the info on pasteurella, Vicki.

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Old 02/22/07, 07:43 AM
 
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We had a major snowstorm drop 3 feet of snow here a week ago...and the drifts on our hill made it much worse! After 3 days we were able to "liberate" the does and bucks in their separate pens up on the hill, but the girls in the lower barn can't get out. My son tried to dig and ice pick the door open, but couldn't get the last few inches.

Consequently, after only a few days, there was an unpleasant odor in the barn. I put down two bags of feed grade lime and bale of pine shavings. Blessed relief!

I still want to get them out of the barn, I think they are going to get frisky and maybe injure a pg doe or a burgeoning udder.

My Toggie, Zippity, keeps leaping out of the barn! She just looks at the open window and springs out to freedom. Then she stands there saying, "Why did I do that? All the food, water and friends are in there!" And she doesn't jump back in, she has to be picked up and tossed (gently!) by one of my sons!

I don't mind snow, but I do mind that my girls can't get out.
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Old 02/22/07, 09:01 AM
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It sounds like you are sure that the barn is not the culprit..so I am moving past that. I guess you could also check your hay to make sure its not dusty/moldy.

If it were me...I would be looking at that doe that you brought in that has been more or less chronic. I see that you have treated her for mastitis.

This mastitis together with her coughing, runny nose and now the spread to your other does makes me wonder if its a Mycoplasma. There are different types..

If it were me...I would try to separate the coughing does from the ones who are not coughing. This stuff is easily transmitted by air droplets, common points as waterers and feeders and even close grazing with each other.

It may be a long shot..but that's what I think I would be checking into. If these does are going to kid in the near future..and if it is type of mycoplasma...alternative things should be done for the kids..ie..hand raising kids and heating mom's milk before feeding.

Run a search on Mycoplasma in goats on the internet and see what you think. I didn't see if the one chronic doe is running a fever..but I'd love to know. It may only be a low grade fever..but if she is..that would be one more symptom.

Good luck...I hope you find out soon..as knowing what the problem is is the only way to get on top of it.
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