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Old 01/09/07, 11:44 AM
 
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I went to the farm this morning to take care of the livestock just like I do every morning. All was fine till I got to the goats and found my Pygmy buck lying on his left side, legs stuck straight out, legs stiff as a board and he was foaming a little at the mouth. I looked for any visble wounds or bite marks first and found none. I tried to stand him up, but that was point less. He looked swollen like bloat but I have never heard of bloat causing a goat to foam at the mouth. My next thought was either that one of the many coons that we have living under an old run down house on the farm could of bitten him or somebody gave him poison. He was fine lastnight when I left the farm, he was eating his hay, and acting like normal. He was wormed a month ago, there has been no change at all in his diet. He has fresh water and hay at all times and he gets about a 1/2 cup of goat chow every other day. Any ideas
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Old 01/09/07, 12:00 PM
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Tetanus or entero?? I don't know about tetanus, but entero(frothy bloat) will cause foaming from the mouth in its worst extremes. Do you have C&D Antitoxin?? Do you have mineral oil?? Activated Charcoal?? I'd give all three in *large* amounts if it is entero......I have never dealt with tetanus so have no idea about that.

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Old 01/09/07, 12:17 PM
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Here is some great Info on Enterotoxemia. It can cause frothy bloat!
Lori

ENTEROTOXEMIA... How it Gets Started
A Seasonal Reminder
by Sue Reith.

Spring is a dangerous time of the year for enterotoxemia because so many animals are let out on the new, lush Spring grass and bloat is common under such circumstances. The problem is, bloat is often just the beginning of the problem. Enterotoxemia is a common secondary invader that follows on its heels. You need to be prepared now to give any goat that does become bloated from eating the Spring grass a dose of antitoxin preventatively when this happens, as a stitch in time saves nine, and it is easier to prevent this disease than to treat it!

The Clostridial (enterotoxemia) organisms are always present in the goat's gut, right along with everything else. They usually cause no trouble because they just keep passing on out of the system in the feces. The gut activity needs to be stopped by something else for a long enough time to give those little bugs a chance to build up sufficient numbers to cause Enterotoxemia. Some of the gut-stoppers that are common precursors to Entero are grass bloat, too much carbohydrate, as in heavy feedings of milk replacers or milk/replacer + grain (slow to digest), Floppy Kid Syndrome, etc...

Some may have noticed that whenever anyone mentions that an animal has bloat or grain overload or etc I suggest, as a part of the corrective measures, that he/she administer a hefty dose of Enterotoxemia Antitoxin ASAP. Owners often resist (as in ignore) that part of the treatment because they don't keep Entero Antitoxin on hand and they know (or the vet has said) it is bloat, etc., not Entero... (!)

When the problem begins, that's no doubt true. And if the animal is current on all its CD/T vaccinations and over 4 months of age that still may be true. But any older animal that has not had its yearly boosters is at risk, as is a yearling that did not receive at least 2 vaccinations no earlier than 2 months of age AND a booster at 6 months of age, thus has NO antibodies left at 1 year of age!

The key here is that it takes just a few days (maybe 5 or so at the most) for whatever has stopped up the gut initially (such as FKS or grain overload or too much milk replacer or grass bloat or whatever) to turn into full-blown enterotoxemia. You see, when the naturally occurring clostridial organisms stop passing routinely out of that now stopped-up rumen it takes that long for them to multiply within the rumen until they are in sufficient number to create Enterotoxemia in the gut.

Enterotoxemia, BTW, is a disease caused by the overproduction of toxins by the Clostridium prefringens organisms that are found naturally in the rumen of the goat. As they multiply in the rumen, which they will do if it is slowed or shut down for any reason, the toxins quickly reach the level where they start to destroy the intestinal walls, eventually passing through them and into the peritoneal cavity where they systematically begin shutting the organs down, killing the host. It is a very painful way to die.

It is incredibly rewarding to me to learn that more and more owners have actually avoided enterotoxemia by giving the Antitoxin preventatively when the goat's gut is compromised in this manner. By comparison, it's so sad to learn of goats that have died unnecessarily but could have been saved, only because people (INCLUDING many vets!) didn't realize the danger inherent in a stopped up gut and prepare ahead to have Antitoxin on hand for such emergencies.

Keep in mind that the CD Antitoxin has only one function. That is to destroy on contact any entero toxins detected in the gut. So if, due to the animal's own immune system having sufficient antibodies present, there are NO entero toxins developing in the stopped-up gut, it has no other role to play and will just dissipate from the goat's system.

Addendum: While it is always preferable for the Entero Antitoxin to be given to an animal preventatively as noted above, frequently it's not brought into the process until after enterotoxemia has begun... In that case, treatment must begun immediately or the victim will die...

Clostridium perfringens Types C&D Antitoxin dosing must start immediately, administered in larger and more frequent doses now than would have been needed for prevention.

In addition:

Penicillin is essential, to prevent development of more toxin-producing clostridial bacteria... It can't repair the victim by itself however. For a successful outcome to the treatment it must have the help of the antitoxin to kill off the toxins that are already doing damage;

Banamine kills the pain, lowers the victim's elevated temperature, and cuts inflammation created by the toxins as they do their damage to the gut walls. Whatever else you do, do not substitute dexamethasone for Banamine, as it will shut down the victim's immune system while reducing the inflammation!;

BoSe stimulates the body's own immune system so it can help itself to get better while you help it from outside;

Electrolytes keep up the body's natural chemical balance so it won't die of dehydration while you are trying to kill off the entero;

Baking soda reverses the acidosis created by the toxins as they destroy the walls of the intestines;

and...

Pepto Bismol coats the intestinal walls to help protect them from further damage by the toxins.


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Old 01/09/07, 12:18 PM
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I am sorry, I was thinking of frothy bloat. I sent info on Enterotoxemi, I will look for bloat information.

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Old 01/09/07, 12:28 PM
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BLOAT

How to deal with this emergency situation:

by Sue Reith.

Bloat is a condition wherein the goat's rumen expands beyond its normal capacity due to ingestion of some substance that causes development and entrapment of a large amount of foam and gas. The most obvious sign of Bloat is that the barrel of the goat becomes very large, particularly on the goat's left side. In many cases the swelling will rise above the level of the backbone on that left side.

Two common types of bloat are (1) "frothy" or "foamy" bloat, generally caused by the ingestion of large amounts of fresh, new, lush pasture, and (2) grain-overload bloat, the result of the victim having accidentally ingested considerably more than the normal ration of grain of some type. Below you will find the emergency treatments that must be carried out for each.

The great danger here is that with both types of bloat, the distended rumen can actually compress the lungs and make breathing difficult, and sometimes impossible. And particularly in the second type, Grain Bloat, the acidosis that sets up in the fermenting grain in the rumen is very damaging to the goat's internal organs, eventually shutting them down and causing the animal's death. If not treated correctly immediately, as in within a couple of hours after the accident, the acidosis and resultant damage is unlikely to be reversible. Additionally, particularly in Grain Bloat, the body can go into a "histamine" reaction wherein all the blood vessels in the system open up wide, and due to the swelling that causes in the lower extremities the goat's feet will 'founder', which is irreversible and causes a permanent lameness.

An additional problem that can arise when the gut is stopped in a goat, which is what takes place and is referred to as bloat, is that the clostridial organisms that are a part of the normal ruminal contents, but are routinely expelled with the feces, will sit there and multiply rapidly at that time, in short order causing Enterotoxemia, a secondary and opportunistic disease which, once begun, will without proper treatment kill your animal whether it is successfully treated for bloat or not.

This is an emergency situation!

Plan ahead! Don't let it happen to start with!

1) Don't let goats out on fresh, green, lush pasture first thing in the morning, particularly in the Springtime, on an empty tummy! Grass bloat is common at that time of the year, due to an overabundance of certain minerals and other nutrients in the new plants that are growing.

2) Secure your grain barrels against invasion by goats, who are very smart and extremely curious, and who will take advantage of any opportunity to attack a grain container!

3) If it does happen, take the following steps:

Determine whether the bloat was caused by over-eating lush pasture, or by an invasion of the grain barrel.

If it overate pasture:
A) Immediately dose it with a large amount of oil of just about any kind. canola, safflower, olive, mineral, et al. This reduces the foam and gas that will start as soon as the damage is done. A 60cc syringe, with an udder canula at the tip (if you have one) so as to get it back into the animal's throat in small, swallow-sized amounts (allowing each mouthful to be swallowed before giving another), would be good. Tip the head upward so she can't dribble it all out the minute you dose her! And give her a minute to swallow that mouthful before you dose her again.

B) Give it a preventative shot of Clostridium Perfringens Types C&D ANTITOXIN (NOT toxoid!) to stop the enterotoxemia organisms (clostridia) that live in the gut and wait for something like this to happen to start creating toxins that will kill the goat if unchecked.

C) Give it some antihistamine tablets (chlorpheniramine, 4mg, several tablets) to ward off a potential histamine reaction (swelling of the blood vessels) that will lead to founder, a permanent crippling of the animal's front feet.

If it overate grain:

A) IMMEDIATELY get out the baking soda! Put several tablespoons in a glass, mix it with warm water (you have to keep shaking it or it will settle quickly) and add a bit of molasses to make it taste better. Dose it, in a large dosing syringe if you have one (with the long, open end on it) or a turkey baster, holding the goat's head up so it will swallow, and administering just small, swallow-sized mouthfuls, allowing it to swallow after each dose. You don't want to give it inhalation pneumonia! The baking soda is critical here, because fermenting grain in the rumen creates acidosis, which will do irreparable damage to the goat and end in killing her if you allow it to happen. Repeat this process every 2 hours or so, for several times if she ate a whole lot of grain, and for just a couple of times if she ate a moderate amount.

B) In the time between the baking soda dosings, give her lots of Pepto Bismol, also in a dosing syringe, to coat the intestinal walls that will otherwise quickly be damaged by acidosis.

C) Give it a good dosing of oil, as with Part A under Grass Bloat above.

D) Give it a preventative shot of Clostridium Perfringens Types C&D ANTITOXIN (NOT toxoid!) as in Part B under Grass Bloat above.

E) Give it some antihistamine tablets (chlorpheniramine, 4mg, several tablets) as in Part C under Grass Bloat above.

F) Whatever you do, do NOT offer ANY grain for the next few days, and introduce the goat back onto it slowly once you start again. My preference, for the next couple of meals, would be to provide fresh browse from the yard, choosing the new growth of those plants that I know are safe for goats, and that they love.

Sue Reith
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Bainbridge Island WA
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Old 01/09/07, 05:21 PM
 
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Well thanks for the information, but sadly he passed away not long after my first post. I'm a little worried about my other goats now. They are all acting normal. He was a good ways away from the other goats anyway but i'm still worried about them. I hope that when he breed my pygmy nanny last month that it took, it would be nice to have a baby from him, and her also as her dad was my first goat that my mother bought me 8 years ago when I was in the 8th grade. Anyway thank you.

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I'm sorry to hear that you lost him. Good luck with your nanny.

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Old 01/09/07, 05:53 PM
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Well thanks for the information, but sadly he passed away not long after my first post. I'm a little worried about my other goats now. They are all acting normal. He was a good ways away from the other goats anyway but i'm still worried about them. I hope that when he breed my pygmy nanny last month that it took, it would be nice to have a baby from him, and her also as her dad was my first goat that my mother bought me 8 years ago when I was in the 8th grade. Anyway thank you.
Sorry you lost him. Are your goats UTD on their CD&T vaccinations?
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