Meat goats for Muslims

[Country Doc]

I heard something today from the guy that runs a goat only auction barn in East Texas. He says one of the main buyers sells to Muslim doctors and the religion calls for totally intact goats. They come to his farm, pick the goats, and he slaughters and dresses the goat. They need their horns and testicles for the sale.
I am not sure this is true but I found it interesting. I was asking him about selling welters or bucks for the sale.

[james dilley]

Intact Males for Relgious reasons are whats needed. Wheathers might be O K for the rest of the folks but the Muslums want A full male ..

[Jcran]

I've heard the same thing-fully intact, horns and hoochey. I've also heard that a completely WHITE animal is not desirable...not sure what the reason, but color is more desired.

[copperpennykids]

Actually I heard that white was the most desirable because it is a symbol of purity.

And I believe that it is true that muslims do want their goats this way.

I have Saanens (white) and think I would be willing to supply the Muslim market but would require full payment before I would leave Saanen buckling with horns, as no one wants a breeding buck with horns.

Does anyone know how they are slaughtered?

[vallyfarm]

They want certain organs too. The one who come to my farm will pay extra to know who the parents are. Really! They want to see the mother and father. I keep the kids in a seperate building for sales, and the will offer $5-10 just to see the parents. I don't take it, but it must be something. Most all my buyers want a male intact, many won't take anything but. Mike

[mare]

from what i've heard tha halal way is slit the throat and let it bleed out

[Jcran]

Originally Posted by mare

from what i've heard tha halal way is slit the throat and let it bleed out

That sounds very similar to the kosher method as well.

[KSALguy]

we sold to LOTS of muslims back home, and you will have differint sects and religious holidays that SOME of them will want a certain goat for, but ALL of them dont want an animal that appears "Off" they did not want anything with LaMancha Ears but as long as there were no Scurrs they didnt mind an animal with out horns but would rather have horns, they preffured the Boer look because they were accustomed to that being the best meat animal available, we sold lots of Boer Spannish or Boer Dairy cross weithers we didnt sell any intact males, VERY VERY few people even requested them. on one occaision a Hispanic Family requestid a Buck but were satisfied with a nice weither.
on one of the holiday several of the Muslims requested an ALL BLACK animal but sence there were few to None available they took the normal Boer type, White animals were occasionally requested and more easily available but not a real big requierment.

All animals were butcherd in the Halal mannor by faceing the animal toward Mecca and saying a quick short prayer and slitting the animals throught, then the whole family would pitch in and butcher the animal to their specifications and most EVERY part was used very little waist.

Kosher and Halal are basically the same principals but obviously two differint religions, (the two are cousins though if you know your history)

[susieM]

Originally Posted by copperpennykids

Actually I heard that white was the most desirable because it is a symbol of purity.

And I believe that it is true that muslims do want their goats this way.

I have Saanens (white) and think I would be willing to supply the Muslim market but would require full payment before I would leave Saanen buckling with horns, as no one wants a breeding buck with horns.

Does anyone know how they are slaughtered?

Over here, the are prayed over and then have their throats cut. The same as what ordinary French do to kill their animals...except the French don't say any prayers first.

[moosemaniac]

There is a slaughter house locally that caters to the Muslim faith. They pay top dollar for goats. I guess we're pretty lucky here.

Ruth

[steff bugielski]

The muslims who buy from me do not even want ear tags. They are a wonderful source of income on my farm.
Steff

[Shazza]

Originally Posted by mare

from what i've heard tha halal way is slit the throat and let it bleed out

That is how our butcher kills our goats and sheep...and he's just an aussie like us.
Do you mean to say that you will change the way you do things so you comply with the muslims way of doing things so you can sell to them.....
I dont want to get racist or political here, but if they are in your country they do it your way....or they can go home!!!!

[nduetime]

There are a lot of muslims and hispanics in our area. I had considered and have sold goats for meat but never to anyone of the muslim faith. Hearing how they want to do it on your farm and say prayers, I guess I would have to not allow it as I am a christian and for me (and me only) I would feel like I was in some way supporting their faith by allowing them to practice it on my farm. I hate absolutley nobody but do not want to be involved in other faith practices. Do the people of the muslim faith ever kill off your property?

[Shazza]

I dont know whether you mean me or not...but we dont get many Muslims in central victoria Australia....not as many as you get. Which I think is a good thing?

[nduetime]

I guess I mean anybody. I have read on this and other posts that they always say prayers and do certain things pertaining to their faith when they kill. I have been a bit too afraid of getting blasted to ask the questions and then decided it really did not matter if I get flamed or not as I wanted to honestly know if anyone has sold meat goats but not allowed muslim or any other religious practices on their property. So far, no one has asked me if they or I could kill their goat on my land.

[homebirtha]

Wow Shazza, for someone who doesn't want to get racist, you do a pretty good job of it. Your ignorance is really showing. So someone should only be able to practice your own religion or they should go home? Maybe they are home! Why would you assume that they're from a different country just because they're not the same religion as you? Lots of Americans (born here and everything!!) are Muslim.

As for letting someone do a Halal or Kosher slaughter on my property, I wouldn't have any religious reason not to allow it. I don't see how someone praying in their own manner has any effect on my own religion, whether it's on my property or even in my living room.

Let me ask you nduetime, if you had someone over for dinner and they wanted to do a Jewish prayer before eating, would you ask them to leave? Do you say grace before you eat? How would you feel if someone said, sorry, you can't say grace in my house, because it seems like I'm supporting the Christian religion if I allow it? I mean, I guess that's fair, it's their house. But it seem pretty rude to me.

Originally Posted by Shazza

That is how our butcher kills our goats and sheep...and he's just an aussie like us.
Do you mean to say that you will change the way you do things so you comply with the muslims way of doing things so you can sell to them.....
I dont want to get racist or political here, but if they are in your country they do it your way....or they can go home!!!!

[KSALguy]

when they do a "prayer" its not what i am sure you all are visualizing, its very quick simple and quiet, if you didnt know what was going on you would miss it entierly, its not a big production drawing attention to themself at all, and not offensive, more a gesture of respect towards the animal and the religious Holiday than anything else, they are not pushing there belifes onto anyone and do not behave rudely toward thoughs of us who are Christians (my mother is an Ordained Minnister).

besides if you truely ARE a Christian what happend to the whole concept of Christ Love and all that? do we really have the right to be ugly towards someone just because of what church they do or dont go to? what happend to Hate the SIN not the SINNER?? (dont missunderstand me and think i am advocating what the Muslims have done, and giveing free licence for them to take advantage, just makeing a point that there is a time and a place to make a stand for what you belive)

[Country Doc]

Thanks for all the interesting responses.

[Carrie C]

Halal slaughter is a much nicer way to go than a conventional slaughter house would kill.
I'm Catholic Christian and love it that Mother Theresa and her sisters would read from the Bible, Quaran, and other sacred texts to comfort the dying with their own faith.
Muslims are doing us a favor to kill animals quickly, quietly, and with respect for the animal. A lot more than I can say for many of Christians.
~Carrie C.

[dezeeuwgoats]

I, for one, would be thrilled to find a connection for my surplus goats, regardless of race or creed.

Niki