Percentage question

[topside1]

Morning folks,
I know this type of question has been asked before, but bear with me. I have two LaMancha does, both have Certificate of Pedigree paperwork stating "grade experimental". One doe is 88% LaMancha the other doe is 94% LaMancha.

If I bred these does to a 100% papered LaMancha buck what percentage of pedigree will their kids carry???

Second question, at what percentage would any goat be considered "purebred" or would they be "pureblooded" or would they be "pure graded".

I've got to say I'm having a tough time WANTING to memorize the paperwork aspect of goat raising...Just getting old I guess...raising healthy animals seems more important then paper trails....Thanks in advance!!!

[MoBarger]

As far as percentages goes, it's math.

88% + 100% = 188. Divide by 2 (2 parents after all!) and your kids are 94%. With the 94% doe the kids are 97%.

I am not sure how NDs are graded. If it were a boer, a fullblood isn't a FB until it's 100%. A pureblood is one who is 100% all the way down the line.

[PygmyLover]

none of the registries do ND grades. Purbred only.

[Leo]

Hi,
From what I recall, you can only bred a grade up to american, I think it would be something like 97% la mancha or above.

[topside1]

That's Leo,
Is Leo right 97%??. If so, then the offspring of my 94% LaMancha doe could be registered as a American Purebred LaMancha??. Sorry to sound so lazy...

[DocM]

Lamancha herd book is still open. The breed registry goes by generations. They'll probably be american (practically same as purebred), you'll just have to send the papers in and see what they say. I have lamanchas will all different classes of papers, like yours. It's pretty confusing.

[goatkid]

From what I understand, If you breed a 75% recorded grade doe of one of the full size breed dairy goats to a purebred buck of the same breed, the kids will be American of that breed, provided that the kids' dam and grand dam conform to breed standard. I know it works that way with Nubians.

[vancom]

Hey John--how are you!

Camo's doelings are registered as grade no matter the sire. One of her doeling's doeling (Mimi's progeny) would be first generation American. Then second and third so long as all are bred to registered bucks, either American or purebred.

The doeling of that third generation doe would attain purebred status. I think it is at that level.

That's my understanding of it all. One of Camo's doeling's does (Camo then Val then Maggie) is registered American. First generation. We have bred her to our buck, an American Lamancha, and any doelings will be second generation, etc.

Your Mimi's doelings would be first generation American. As for registering bucks, I have no idea. It has something to do with their ears as well as pedigree.

Make any sense?

Vanessa
near Nashville

[DocM]

Originally Posted by vancom

Hey John--how are you!

Camo's doelings are registered as grade no matter the sire. One of her doeling's doeling (Mimi's progeny) would be first generation American. Then second and third so long as all are bred to registered bucks, either American or purebred.

The doeling of that third generation doe would attain purebred status. I think it is at that level.

That's my understanding of it all. One of Camo's doeling's does (Camo then Val then Maggie) is registered American. First generation. We have bred her to our buck, an American Lamancha, and any doelings will be second generation, etc.

Your Mimi's doelings would be first generation American. As for registering bucks, I have no idea. It has something to do with their ears as well as pedigree.

Make any sense?

Vanessa
near Nashville

Told ya it was confusing. Your best bet - just send in the papers and let ADGA figure it out, lol.

[Vicki McGaugh TX Nubians]

I'ts not only on percentage, a doe can be 100% lamancha being bred to a buck who is 100% Purebred Lamancha and they can still have kids who do not move out of the grade paperwork because of their ears or not having a dish faced. Unless you owned the dam and grand dams of these kids you have no idea if you have enough generations of correct breed standard to go forward into Amercian. If you use an American buck your does do not go forward from American to Purebred, you have to use a purebred buck in all breeds to retain Purebred, or in LaMancha (because the herd book is open, still accepting purebreds from Amercian, a bad thing to obtain Purebred.

Learning the correct terminology is the fastest way to understand. Experimental is the breeding of two breeds (ie...A purebred Nubian to a purebred Lamancha the resulting doelings are experimentals. Grades...are does in a program of grading they are not registered they are recorded, they are not registered until they have been through the grading up program, out of purebred and American bucks, conformed to breed standard...these resulting kids become registered Americans and only in Lamancha Purebred.

In all other breeds you breed a Purebred doe to an American buck you get American kids from that generation forward. Really only a real step sister in Nubians.

I can have a purebred Nubian kid born here out of generations of purebred kids that go into the experimental book because of ears....her kids would then have to have better ears to move forward in the grading up process. Vicki

[topside1]

Holy Toledo, my head hurts pass the Motrin.

The reason I am asking, is because once the kidding season begins I may possibly purchase a buckling either Nubian or LaMancha. I have both breeds...but would prefer to pursue breeding LaMancha. Just trying to prevent making a poor decision.

[vancom]

You can breed up in Lamancha, John--I think that's it. I'd go Lamancha buck for that reason. Get a good buck!

Vanessa
near Nashville

[topside1]

Thanks Vanessa, I'll keep my eyes wide open once kidding season begins. Who know's maybe down the road we'll be trading bucks...Stay warm!!!!