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Old 11/20/06, 06:23 AM
 
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how to tell if goat is bred

I have two goats. last year I bred them both but only one worked. I never could feel the kid, but she stopped going into heat and got fat. But not hugely fat because she had a small single. Her udder starting enlarging too, but I forget when.

the other one had three tries and nothing.

So yesterday the non-kidder went into heat for the first time all season. I took her to the breeder, who said conditions were perfect and if she doesn't settle this time I can assume she's sterile. We used the buck who bred my other doe last year. Her heats are light and short and she sometimes skips. if you increase her feed she will happily get fat.

So I'm trying to figure out how I'm going to know if she's even bred. wait until April and if she doesn't kid the answer is no? I might lose my mind!

She's a big nubian 2 y.o. if it matters.

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Old 11/20/06, 07:24 AM
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See is she goes into heat about 21 days after being with the buck? One way to try to get her to go into heat is to get a stinky rag from a stinky buck, and have it around her after those 21 days or so. If she is still open it may incite her to go into heat again.

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Did you just do a driveway breeding? Oftentimes goats with weak heats will come back in on a secondary heat 4-7 days later. You could try a blood test to see if she took.

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Old 11/20/06, 10:52 AM
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How far along do you think she is IF she took? I was told to do the pooch test. Have you heard of that?
I do believe it is form this site that I found out about it. If someone know what I am talking about I am sure they will chime in, in the mean time I will look for it. How long did you leave her with the buck? I try to leave mine at least a month. I did just have someone bring her doe over to be bred, she was flagging and we thought OK, she is ready. I hde her in with the buck for 5 days. Then we were hit with a huge snow storm, and I had to DIG the goats out, so I mover her becasue I thought for sure she was bred. Well 6 days later she was up against the fence and teasing another buck, so I grabbed her again and put the tow in a stall, and we watched him get her three times. So watch that flagging, I thought she was ready, but I guess she was getting ready to be ready.

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Old 11/20/06, 02:15 PM
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I just went to the biotracking site, and they are having a sale on goat pregnancy testing! Yay! Here is the verbiage:


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We are pleased to announce special pricing for goat and sheep producers. From November 1st, 2006 until February 1st, 2007 all goat and sheep samples will be half price $7.50.
Just thought I'd pass it on. I've never used them, have no idea about them, but I know folks on here do.

I'm going to send mine in for that price!

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That just struck me as funny - a sale on goat pregnancy testing!

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Old 11/21/06, 06:01 AM
 
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I have no idea what a pooch test is.

my problem is that she could very well not go into heat even if she isn't pregnant. or at least not enough to notice. yes it was a driveway (back yard actually) breeding. this is a grade goat - I don't want to put a huge amount of expense into breeding her, and the only way to let her run with a buck around here would be to lease or buy one. I have two goats and a small barn.

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I may have been the one who mentioned it; a woman who brought a goat to be bred says that it is "surefire". I just don't know. She said the tip of the vulva flattens out after a successful take. She got the info from somewhere in Florida. Maybe google "goat pooch test"?

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Old 12/04/06, 07:01 PM
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I just took blood and sent it off to Biotracking today. I hope she's settled!!! We will have cute little Boer/Saanen crosses in a few months if it is...

It was quite funny when I took the package to the PO today to mail it-- the clerk asked what was inside, and I said very evilly, "GOATS BLOOD!!" Muahaha! But I explained it was for a test... : )

I checked the box for the results to be emailed. Cross your fingers!

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Old 12/05/06, 01:09 AM
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One way to try to get her to go into heat is to get a stinky rag from a stinky buck,
But don't do what I did and leave it in your pick up, in the heat, with the windows rolled up. You'll be smelling "stinky buck" for months.....
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Old 12/05/06, 05:38 AM
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Here's a link to info on the pooch test, it's actually really reliable when you know what you're looking for :

http://www.happytailzfarm.com/pooch_test_2.htm

Also, if you go to www.jefferslivestock.com, you can get a cheapo 5.00 stethescope that works well, and listen on the right side of the stomach (but you really have to search for it, lol) for a kid's heartbeat. But that's later on in gestation.

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My doe has about 2 months to go and I would like to see if I can hear anything. Will the babies heatrate be faster than the mothers like in humans? Is it to early?

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Old 12/05/06, 08:31 AM
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Here's a link to info on the pooch test, it's actually really reliable when you know what you're looking for :

http://www.happytailzfarm.com/pooch_test_2.htm
I have some two and three year olds, some bred (been ultrasounded already) and some open - I'm going to try this today and take some pics. I'm very interested - having a bunch of does tested every year gets to be a pain.
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That just struck me as funny - a sale on goat pregnancy testing!
Woo hoo! Gotta love a good sale!

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I had a two year old nubian do something similiar - except I drove two hours to get her bred - she was in a raging, standing heat. Didn't take. Gave her a shot to bring her back in a few months later, and left her a month with the buck. Just got fat and 'looked' pregnant. The following year she LIVED with the buck. We did get babies that year!

I wouldn't assume your doe is sterile, yet - especially if she kidded her first year. There are several things you could try if it is worthwhile to you. Try and keep the extra weight off of her - it can cause difficulties getting pregnant. If she proves this difficult every year - you may want to find a different doe. My difficult doe didn't take again this year - after a second month with the buck she is back in heat....I put her in with my boer buck. I don't want to keep anything out of her, even though she is very nice, as I don't want to perpetuate this problem genetically.

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Old 12/05/06, 09:34 AM
 
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She is a gallon milker, and very people oriented - our first nubian milker. There's no way we could be rid of her......Diva that she is!

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Old 12/05/06, 09:37 AM
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I have a doe I have to hold to be bred... standing heat or not, she will not let a buck near her. There's always lute too, you can give her a shot and force her heat.

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Old 12/05/06, 10:55 AM
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Ok for those of you who want to see the difference in the vulva of a bred doe and one that is not here you go.

Here is the bred doe!




Now here is a pic of a doe that hasnt been preg scence 2003 she has a fertility issue.


Here is a young 4 month old doe who was just in heat a few days ago but not bred.


See a difference!

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Old 12/05/06, 11:35 AM
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I usually know for sure my does are bred, when they deliver a kid!

Sorry I couldn't resist

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Old 12/05/06, 11:36 AM
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My doe has about 2 months to go and I would like to see if I can hear anything. Will the babies heatrate be faster than the mothers like in humans? Is it to early?

Adult does have a heart rate of 70-80 bpm, where as kids in the oven have a higher rate of *I Think* 120-140 bpm (please correct me if I'm wrong). Last year I check quite a few of our goats regularly, as we were unsure of due dates. I'd check the mother’s heart rate first and this made it easier to detect what was the kid's heart rate. Kid's heart rates will slows slightly toward the end of gestation. I think it was right about 4 months along I was able to hear it. It was very low at first, almost directly in front of the udder and to the right, and then the second kid would be about 5-7? inches up, to the doe’s right. It takes a bit of poking around to find it the first few times. Then at about a week or two before kidding they where much higher on the right side of the doe.
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