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Old 10/07/06, 06:12 PM
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I'm at Wits End with SCOURING GOAT HELP!!!!!!!

A couple of days I got home from work and noticed that the backside of my Alpine Nubian cross looked a little dirty, but I didn't think much about it. The next day when I got home I could tell there was something wrong with her. She would just stand in one place and not move alot. She was not eating much at all and had been scouring pretty significantly. She's on graze and Lespideeza (SP) hay. I have fed no grain to her in the last several weeks. She's not in milk nor is she bred. I gave her a dose of Probiotics, but it did not help. On Friday I came home at lunch and dosed her again, and I put her in a stall of the barn away from the others. I've had a friend who is a goat guru come look at her today, and she said she sees nothing wrong with her other than the scouring. I don't know what could have caused it. I have been giving her Probiotics and V&E for goats. She seems to be feeling maybe a tad better, but still scouring. I was so at wits end that I gave her an Immodium AD; I hope I haven't killed her. PLEASE!!!! reply with your thoughts..... she's the sweetest one I've got and I sure would hate to lose her.

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Old 10/07/06, 07:05 PM
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A couple of days I got home from work and noticed that the backside of my Alpine Nubian cross looked a little dirty, but I didn't think much about it. The next day when I got home I could tell there was something wrong with her. She would just stand in one place and not move alot. She was not eating much at all and had been scouring pretty significantly. She's on graze and Lespideeza (SP) hay. I have fed no grain to her in the last several weeks. She's not in milk nor is she bred. I gave her a dose of Probiotics, but it did not help. On Friday I came home at lunch and dosed her again, and I put her in a stall of the barn away from the others. I've had a friend who is a goat guru come look at her today, and she said she sees nothing wrong with her other than the scouring. I don't know what could have caused it. I have been giving her Probiotics and V&E for goats. She seems to be feeling maybe a tad better, but still scouring. I was so at wits end that I gave her an Immodium AD; I hope I haven't killed her. PLEASE!!!! reply with your thoughts..... she's the sweetest one I've got and I sure would hate to lose her.

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Well first off I sure hope you didn't kill your goat because when they get the scours or what I call it sometimes is the runs Never use Imodium AD' to control diarrhea in a goat.. It can kill a goat .. Check see if the goats scours smells awful is so she has Cocci also known as Coccidia. You will need to treat the goat for Cocci with ither Di-Methox Injection 40% or -Albon. Which IMO Albon is the same as Di-Methox Injection 40%...

Next thing have your wormed the goat? If you haven't you need to worm your goat because worms also can cause the scours at times but Please never give a goat Imodium AD.. This is why---->>>If you give goat Imodium AD this product can stop the peristaltic action of the gut, bringing the digestive process to a halt, and death is not uncommon under such circumstances. If you have on hand when your goat gets the scours use Pepto-Bismol, Kaeopectate, or Scour Halt but the very best thing to do first is find out why your goat is doing this.
Did you change the goats feeding habits? If so it will cause this.
Does the goat have worms?
There are many reason why goats can get the scours so first try to see what is causing it but most the time it is ither worms or Cocci.. If your goat is a Adult goat lots of times it mostly worms but sometimes they do get the Cocci and have to be treated for it..

Is your goat is dehydrated? If you think your goat is dehydrated do this---->> Check the goat for dehydration. Pinch the skin; if it snaps back into place, the goat is not seriously dehydrated. If the skin stays 'tented' like beaten egg whites, the goat is seriously dehydrated. Mix electrolytes and get them down your goat fast because when a goat gets dehydrated and you do not treat them for that you can lose them..
Also check your goat for worms by doing this ----->>> Check anemia in your goat pull the lower eyelid down and see if it is red, pink, pale pink or white. If they are pale pink or white that tells you have a bad anemia goat. You can also check the goats gum to see if they are anemia also. Most the time through the gums will not tell the complete truth so that is why you go by the eyelids instead.


When a goat is standing off from the others there is something wrong with them. They are sick and need something done.

I wish you luck and just giving you what I do when my goats starts showing signs of being sick..

Sorry for posting all of this but was trying to help. Yes we have to ask all types of questions to see what is causing this and may can help you. I'm not a expert but I try to help out if can and also others will too.

Good Luck on your goat and hope it gets well soon.
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Old 10/07/06, 07:52 PM
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Would Corid work? I have that on hand. By her eyelids she's not anemic. I only gave one pill of Immoidum, would that be enough to cause death?

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I know very little about goats so take it for what it's worth but I'm wondering if some activated charcoal might help neutralize the Immodium AD if it hasn't been too long since it was given.

Here's a site with some info you might want to look at.

http://fiascofarm.com/goats/index.htm

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Old 10/07/06, 08:50 PM
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How is your goat doing? As far as the Imodium I don't know, but I think you'll be ok. We go by the theory anything we can give our children we can give our goats. We have cattle so normaly use what whatever is is the farm fridge Biosol, Kaeopectate, ivomec, lifeline. I would start with the corrid since you have it on hand. The only question I have is what wormer are you using, and how long have you been using that kind? I will be checking this post because I'm curious about how she does with the Imodium. If it had been in our cabnet I would have tried it too. Good Luck & God Bless

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Old 10/07/06, 09:54 PM
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She's still hanging on, and I dosed her pretty hard with the Corid. I also gaver her V&E. I can't remember the name of the Wormer; it's probably been two months since I treated. The wormer was in medicated pellets that you mix in with feed that I purchased at TSC. Her eyelids look fine, but she's not eating and she still has the scours; it doesn't look to be letting up any.

She closes her eyes really hard like she's squinting then she'll reopen; she does this every few minutes. Is this a sign of pain. If you think it's pain, could she be does with Childrens Tylenol?

I'll keep yall posted, and thanks for all your help.

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Old 10/07/06, 10:48 PM
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Did you check the pasture for mushrooms? Recently we had to have one of our does put down because of mushroom injection. She had some of the same symptoms but didn't respond to anything and eventually got fluid in her lungs. It was awful.

My usual remedy/first aid for scours is a mixture of goat drench, active culture yogurt, honey, and vanilla (for flavor ok the goat drench is pretty vile). Dose the critter with it every four hours until it feels better. You can add pepto if you want. I'm not sure why this works, but I get good results with it.

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It's possible that your wormer doesn't work in your area any more. Get some ivermectin and give her 1cc per 33 lbs. Also get some di-methox or albon, and give her some of that.Get some Kaolin pectate (pink, looks like pepto bismol, but for goats/livestock) Keep up the probiotics. this is very important. Add some vitamins and electrolytes to thier water, and keep trying to get her to eat hay, maybe even a little grain for energy, though goat nutri-drench would be preffered. I usually give some vitamin B complex shots when a goat is even acting a little bit 'off' just because it can't hurt, and it's cheap.
Hope this helps!

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Old 10/07/06, 11:02 PM
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Okay check her gums instead of the eyelids. white gums indicate anemia.
Giving the Safeguard wormer in when feeding is a hit or miss kind of worming as some will eat more and some will get less of it. Try a wormer that you can tell how much the goat is getting. I like to use the paste wormers.
Check the hay for mold as moldy hay will cuase enterotoximia and will kill your goat. Do not give Immodium to any animal it is not good for them. Give Pepto.
Take a stool sample to your vet and have it analyzed, so you have an idea what you need to do next.

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This is what worked for us. Metamucil [sp]. Friends who raise deer told us about it. Our guys had a bad case when they turned over the corn barrel and stuffed themselfs. One dose and they were back to normal the next day. Hope this helps. [Sam] Tamsam

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Old 10/07/06, 11:26 PM
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It sounds like acidosis to me. I would be reluctant to try more things on top of what you have tried, but if it is acidosis, you can try pen g orally first. Sulfa drug is also effective. According to "Managing Your Ewe" (a great book, even for goat owners), there is a much more involved course of treatment, but I am reluctant to suggest it after everything else that has been tried. Is she bloated? You might try treating for that first with baking soda, oil, etc. Those seem a little more benign than some of the other harsher drugs.

Just a thought.

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I got something called Diarsanyl from my vet. Some feed stores also carry it. I give it, along with oral liquid sulfa for scours. You might also want to steal a pinch of cud from one of your other goats and give it to her to get her rumen working properly. If she's dehydrated, your vet might be able to help her by administering ringer's lactate.

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Old 10/07/06, 11:55 PM
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Sorry I have never used Corid on my goats. I was doing some research just now and this one place lots of people go to and read on help they said they don't use Corid no more because of this---->> I do not recommend using Corid, as I have not found it to be anywhere near as effective as Albon or Sulmet. That is from fiascofarm site.

Now on the wormer. I use to worm my goats with is either Ivomec or Valbazen. Only time I use a safe guard paste wormer is for my baby goats. Then later they are put on Ivomec.. The wormer your using may not be working. Sometimes goats get where you have to change wormers because the other ones stop working.

I agree with alot of others also on this subject. Check the hay to see if not bad. On the Imodium AD if the goat is still here your going to be ok more likely but you have to wait 24 hours to see if your goat is going to live from the Imodium AD. If your goat does on that part you was lucky. Just never again give any goats that type of med. You can give them Pepto-Bismol,Kaeopectate, or Scour Halt for the scours.

If your goat is in pain you can give Bayer Children’s Chewable aspirins give it every 8 hrs for 24 hrs and that is it. That can be given for pain and fever.

If you think your goat has been poisoned you can use ToxiBan to help save them also. If do not have them make sure you put that on your list to have. If you do not have that on hand and you think your goat has been poisoned use raw eggs sometimes that works too.

Do you have any pokeweed that has them little purple berries on it. If so that can make a goat very sick too. The signs of being poisoned by pokeweed is these---->> CLASS OF SIGNS: Gastrointestinal irritation (colic, diarrhea which may be bloody). Rarely: anemia, possibly death. Birth defects and tumors may also be possible..

Photo of pokeweed berries. Pokeweed

I was rereading this also and you said this--->>> She's on graze and Lespideeza (SP) hay. I have fed no grain to her in the last several weeks.

Just a question why did you take her off grain? Your goat needs to have grain, hay, fresh water all the time. I have never taken a doe off grain at all. I'm not to trying to sound like a smart butt but you need to slowly put your goat back on grain alone with all she already being eatting because changing the feed like that can also cause problems. Maybe reason to your goat got sick is this---->> Where your goat hasn't been feed grain the goat probabley got hungry & could have ate some type of poison plants because of not getting grain feed now. When they don't get feed grain they will get hungry and look for other things to eat. Also make sure the goat or goats get plenty of goats mineral that is also very important too.

I wish you all the luck with your goat.. I sure hope your goat gets well soon. Hang in there.

Keep us posted

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Old 10/08/06, 08:20 AM
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Well she's still haning on, but still scouring. I tried to give her some grain this morning, and she turned her nose up at it. I think though I've dosed her with so much that she hates to see me coming, but she's not eating well at all. One puzzling thing though, her weight doesn't seem to be falling off whatsoever. A stool sample goes to the state lab tomorrow; it's near my wife's work and they same same day turnaround. I'll keep yall posted. Thanks so much for all your advice and concern.

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My vet said to give my goat 5 - 325 mg asprins twice a day to my 80 wether for fever. She said that was the low end of the range and could be doubled.

I would make sure she has access to baking soda at all times. Now is especially important. It buffers the pH of the rumen and keeps the bacteria that keeps your goat alive happy.

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If it were my goat...on a piece of bread

I'd worm her w/ horse paste Ivermectin at twice her wt--maybe 2.5(repeat in 10 days)
I'd give her pig paste w/ probiotics for blood building
I'd give her some b-complex to get her appetite going
I'd make a ball of baking soda and molasses and feed it to her(force it down if needed )
Offer her water with molasses and cider vinegar mixed in

Make sure she has some free chice, loose minerals available. Keep her up and moving---don't let her be down for long periods...

Call the vet if you feel unsure....but I've found that the folks here know more than typical bovine or horse vet

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TSYORKm I suggest you pm Vicki McGaugh TX Nubians, she will probably send you her phone number and give you excellent guidance. Not putting down anyone's advive here by saying that. I just found her help to be invaluable, and probably saved my goats' lives by informing me about milk replacers.

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Thanks to everyone for their concern, advise, etc. I'm happy to say that my "Bambi" is doing much much much better. I wormed her hard yesterday with Iveron and she's been getting Corid. She's eat more today that she has in the past week put together about it.

Again thanks so much, you all are a wealth of information.

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has anyone ever tried blackberry leaves for scouring? I am drying some for the winter just in case...
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I'm glad to hear Bambi is doing better. Don't forget to reworm in seven days. You may also want to reworm your herd.

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