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Old 08/02/06, 07:49 PM
 
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Goat Milk in SW Michigan for sale?

Looking for goat milk for sale in southwestern Michigan. I have no goat yet.

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Old 08/03/06, 07:50 AM
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It's probably going to be difficult for you to find anyone willing to sell goat milk in this area as unfortunately, it is not legal to do so.

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Old 08/03/06, 10:20 AM
 
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Michigan Goat shares available?

If I can't legally buy milk, anyone have shares of a goat for sale?

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Old 08/03/06, 12:19 PM
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Goat shares aren't actually legal here either. People have been getting away with it so far only because no one has pursued it yet. Good luck.

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Goat shares aren't actually legal here either. People have been getting away with it so far only because no one has pursued it yet. Good luck.
On the real milk site it has alot listed in michigan that have goat shares.
Here is the page that has places that have milk available plus says the farms have goat shares

http://www.realmilk.com/where3.html#mi

Just scroll down to Michigan its the second state I believe on the page.

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Old 08/03/06, 12:54 PM
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every time i look at realmilk.com the list with people who offer goat or cow shares in michigan is growing. wow.
i'm sure you will find somebody who is willing to sell you some goat shares.
visit first and make sure every thing looks clean and healthy. then enjoy....
nothing better than fresh goatsmilk
if you find out you like it you might consider to have your own goats. nothing comes near the milk from your own animals.

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Old 08/03/06, 12:54 PM
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On the real milk site it has alot listed in michigan that have goat shares.
Here is the page that has places that have milk available plus says the farms have goat shares

http://www.realmilk.com/where3.html#mi

Just scroll down to Michigan its the second state I believe on the page.

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Wow great website! Thanks! for those who didnt look it has many other states. I found 2 here in Tennessee really close to me.
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Old 08/03/06, 01:58 PM
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FYI........Rather than sit down and retype what I typed up in another forum I'll cut/paste it here:

No, goat shares (or cow shares) are not specifically legal in Michigan......they are a loophole that people have developed hoping to circumvent the laws in Michigan. If you read the information for Michigan laws at RealMilk.com carefully you can see that there is no specific laws governing goat shares.....there just aren't any specific laws against it and no, that does not make it legal. These goat shares are not safeguarded because it's still VERY easy to prove that the "goat share buyers" don't really own the animal in any way and that it's only a "front" to sell milk. So, if someone decided to cause a fuss over your business of selling milk (selling goat shares) or if someone decides to blame your milk for their illness it is actually quite easy to prosecute and you could very well lose your farm (and a lot more).

I guess you could think of it this way....it would be like hiring a "hit man robot" to murder someone in order to avoid a murder charge. There are no specific laws pertaining to "hit man robots" but hiring one essentially is still not legal to do. By hiring this robot you MIGHT be less likely to get caught, but if you are indeed caught you could still be charged with the murder charge you were trying to avoid so it's just best not to go down that road.

Believe me, I've spent a lot of time looking in to this. Because my husband is employed by the federal government, the ONLY way I can sell milk is if it is done legally. I sure would like to sell milk......belive me I would, but unless I become a dairy it's just not possible......even then I couldn't sell raw milk.

AND:

In order to comply with the guidelines of Michigan #1 you would not under any circumstances be able to sell raw milk and #2 you would have to be inspected as a graded dairy. So, essentially a goat share is a moot point in this state.

No, there has not been a law specifically made to make the goat share programs illegal, but that is only because there hasn't been a prosecution.......yet. Sit down and read the exact laws regarding milk sales and you will see that goat shares are essentially a fix only as long as no one gets caught. I don't know about you, but I sure don't want to be(nor can I be) the one who is prosecuted to set precedent for future goat share laws to be made.


In other words........no, it's not legal (in fact, in Michigan it's not even legal to sell milk for livestock consumption!!), yes, you can still get caught and yes, if someone did catch you and decide to prosecute you are very likely going to lose. If you do decide to purchase milk (despite the laws here in Michigan) from any of the people listed on real milk please be sure you visit their facilities.
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I can agree with the above poster on it being against the law in the books.
so reading the site more here is what I found

Cow Share Agreement (WORD DOC) approved by the state of MICHIGAN

on this page
http://www.realmilk.com/cowfarmshare.html

Not trying to start a argument with the above poster
I was Trying to give the first poster Ideas on finding Goat milk

I am a Canadian so should I care No But I Know what it is to not have goat milk and have to Buy store Bought cow milk.
So lets not be mean about it and discourage a person on goat milk. They might one day get their own


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Well thankfully here in Tennessee it is legal to purchase it for animal consumption which is the only reason I woulld do it. On the website they even had raw cows milk forsale and it was just $2.00 a gal compared to goats at $10.00 a gal. But I wouldnt want to feed it to the baby goats if I had another choice but at $10.00 a gal. I am concidering getting a milk goat myself and breeding her once a year to my pygmy buck to have milk for some calves and incase we have to bottle feed any baby goats. This last spring I had to milk my first freshened pygmy doe and boy was that hard. Her baby was weak and needed the milk till he could nurse. Thankfuly it was only for a few days but man my hand and back.

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Old 08/03/06, 09:10 PM
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I can agree with the above poster on it being against the law in the books.
so reading the site more here is what I found

Cow Share Agreement (WORD DOC) approved by the state of MICHIGAN

Not trying to start a argument with the above poster
I was Trying to give the first poster Ideas on finding Goat milk
It sure APPEARS to be all legal and such, but be aware that it is not a document that would hold up in court if challenged. WHO approved this agreement in Michigan (there isn't a legal authority that "approves" contracts)? Has it been challenged? This contract is especially troublesome as no one will be willing to pay the full price of a goat plus a daily boarding fee ($1500 for the cow and $9/day board in the sample contract) in order to get milk......if you know of anyone willing to pay $300 for a goat and then $3/day care in order to just get milk daily then gee.......send 'em my way and I'll "make them a deal". Faking the prices on the contract so that it appears that the person is indeed purchasing the animal will only get you in to more trouble and isn't at all advisable either. Just reading the contract over it's pretty clear that it isn't a "real" purchase of the animal (tho' it's written as such) and would be very easy to prosecute.

My husband (a research attorney for a federal judge) has looked in to this extensively so that we can LEGALLY sell milk but at this time there is no way to do so......at least not in THIS state.

Do I think it's fair? Absolutely NOT! I think that milk from a small farm that takes care to have healthy animals and follows sanitary procedures in milking is less likely to have issues with milk quality than a lot of the dairys.

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I am a Canadian so should I care No But I Know what it is to not have goat milk and have to Buy store Bought cow milk.
So lets not be mean about it and discourage a person on goat milk. They might one day get their own
Mean? Nah......just wanted to be sure that people are aware of what they're up against and passing on information we've gleaned from some extensive research. Like I said, I would LOVE to be able to sell milk......that's not my point......I'm only giving warning that it isn't legal in this state and to proceed with caution if they're serious about purchasing anyway.
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i read the contract too. my understanding is that the buyer agrees to pay a deposit. this can be for example $50 witch i saw btw as amount of a goat share contract. the balance is due for example when the buyer decide to take the animal from the sellers premise. i don't see the illegal matter here.
it is not illegal to drink or use in other way your own raw milk. it is also nowhere written that you only can drink the milk if it is produced on your property or milked by your own hand. please correct me if i'm wrong.
this said i don't think there will be any consequences if one wants to sell goat shares
i also would strongly advise to visit the place where you get your milk from.

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Old 08/04/06, 05:01 AM
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The problem with the contract is not that it doesn't make sense, but that it can easily be proven as a "front" for selling milk. Until someone is prosecuted for selling milk and this contract holds up in court it's just a contract. Anyone can write a contract......you can write a contract for anything you want (including illegal deeds) but that doesn't make it legal.

I'm well aware that it's not illegal for you to drink your own raw milk. The raw milk laws in Michigan ARE however pretty strict and at this time it is unclear whether or not your animal has to be on your property or directly under your care in order to produce raw milk for your own use. Again.......I wouldn't want to be the one caught and prosecuted to set precident for this.....do you?

If you'll not on the RealMilk website now they've even changed the "rules" they have stated for Michigan making it pretty clear that the cowshare programs here have not been approved and at this time they're only going on the fact that they've not been prosecuted yet.

Of course RealMilk is only dealing with raw milk. To sell milk at ALL (even pasturized) you need to follow state guidelines for milk production and most of the farms I know of (including some listed on the RealMilk list) would not qualify. You're dealing with more than one set of rules in selling milk......the notations on the RealMilk website are only dealing with a few of them (those ONLY pertaining to the sale of RAW milk).

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