Who has Kinders?

[HomesteadBaker]

We are considering getting goats, so I have been doing some research. I like the idea of Kinder goats.... so who has them? Tell me about your experiences with them, please.

Thanks in advance!



18 days to go......
Kitty

[cmharris6002]

There are two users on this forum that I know of with kinders. I hope they will see this post and answer your questions.

I have nine beautiful Nubians that I plan to breed to two Pygmy bucks this fall. I am so excited about what I have learned so far about kinders I can hardly wait for those babies

Christy

[Goat Freak]

Not sure, but I posted pics of our mutt goats before, and a lot of people thought they were kinders. If so, they are GREAT goats, very bouncy and lively, ours had a nice milk output too, at least as far as I could see. Good Luck, by the way, like I said, ours are mutt goats, we just think they are kinders. Bye.

[littledoe]

That's funny. I just spoke with a lady this evening about breeding my pygmy buck to my Nubian doe. She told me they were called Kinders. I'm still doing some research on it. I'll keep you posted.
Should be some good milk, considering that pygmy goats are listed as a dairy breed with high butterfat content. Nubians are also in that category of high butterfat content. I haven't milked my pygmies yet, but the Nubian milk is delicious. I have a beautiful little pygmy buck. He looks like he's wearing a tuxedo.


He's the little black and white one. Just a few months old. Isn't he cute?


Malissa in Texas

[chrisl]

We have kinders, and want more. They are great and have a very gentle dispostion. I am trying to find more nannys right now. You might check out www.kindergoats.com they are a very workable cross of nubian/pygmy. You get the benifit of more milk production from the nubian and smaller package from the pygmy. My only problem is they have small udders and my hand are pretty large, I have to watch that I don't strip the udder when milking. I know there are others on here that have kinders and I had a lady yesterday PM me about selling there whole heard just wish I was closer. Maybe she will respond.

chris

[goatmarm]

Actually, pygmies are a meat breed, and the nubians are the dairy breed. The cross gives you a kid that is shorter than a nubian, but taller than a pygmy, usually seen with "airplane" ears. The kinder is supposed to posses good milking ability w/high butterfat, and more meat on it's bones than a typical dairy goat. By crossing with the pymy you get a better carcass yield, like you would crossing w/boers, just in a smaller package.
If you just want a small dairy goat, there are also nigerian dwarfs. You can breed a nigi buck to a nubi doe for mini-nubians.

[Gailann Schrader]

I have two Kinder does in milk as first fresheners and they had, between the two of them FIVE babies.

Neither doe is registered. One I don't know the history on, and the other I hand bred from a registered Nubian doe I owned and a HUGE Pygmy buck that, unfortunately, cannot be registered. So, neither are registered.

The unknown-history doe, Belle, threw a buck and a doe that have the stocky body set of a Pygmy.

The home-bred one, Faun, had the triplets. Two GORGEOUS does and a buckling -now wethered (he'll be BBQ). I should have saved him as a buck, but I liked the beefy set of the other buck.

Faun has a very nice udder, but unfortunately I'm only milking every 24 hours so can't see her full capacity. Belle's udder looks more like a Pygmy's with the teats pointing out to the sides. Their milk is yellowish due to the higher butterfat. Very nice.

Faun was absolutely wild when I tried to milk her. I had to log-chain (yes, log chain) her leg down to stop her kicking. Biting, screaming, snorting, spitting (didn't know goats could do that), throwing herself, etc. She figured out what I wanted and is now a calm milker. Didn't take very long.

I have two Oberhasli does, two Nubian does, two Kinder does, and just sold my two percentage Boer does.

I would recommend the Kinders for anyone trying an alternate breed. I was impressed with the twins and the triplets on the first freshen! PLUS they are year round breeders (like Pygmys) and so I've turned the two does back in with the beefy buckling (my original Kinder buck I purchased in St. Louis last Labor Day died this Spring). Belle has shown a standing heat already (with the charming come-here-baby blubbering she exhibits) and I hope for a second "batch" of babies in the Fall. So, I will have my supply of year-round milk and meat for the table. Now, currently the does aren't giving that MUCH milk, but their size makes for more efficient use of feed and hay. And I'm waiting so see what the udders do on a second freshen.

Good Luck!

[littledoe]

Pygmies are listed by the National Pygmy Goat Association as a Dairy breed.
They are also listed as a Dairy breed in "Raising Milk Goats Successfully" by Gail Luttmann. They have the same high butterfat content as Nubians.
I use them for both milk and meat, personally.

Hope this helps you

Malissa in Texas

[Freeholder]

It's rather odd that the Pygmy assoc. would list pygmies as a dairy breed when they are so obviously a meat breed, but what do I know? I just have Kinders, LOL! Of course they'll milk -- they are mammals, and have to feed their babies. But their build is that of a meat goat rather than a dairy goat. (Boers milk pretty well, too.)

I really like my Kinders. They have the best milk I've ever had anywhere, they are a nice size for easy handling yet still large enough to get a milk pail under, they have nice personalities, and while I haven't yet butchered one (going to change that in another hour or two, though) they look like they'll be decent small meat animals as well.

I haven't had much luck with getting my does to breed out of season, but I've never been able to spot their heats very well. Mine, at least, don't seem to be as vocal about it as the goats I've had before.

And, exceedingly reluctantly and only because in order to stay legal I have to cut back to only four goats on our one acre lot, my Kinders are all for sale. I had to make a decision between keeping a few Kinders, which are not large enough for packing, or keeping my Oberhasli buck, the Boer X Ober doe, and a doe and wether kids out of those two, and being able to have both milk and packing. So, if anyone nearby is interested, let me know. I'd like to sell them in two breeding groups, each group for $500:

First group includes:
Thunder, a 2-y-o buck, proven sire -- looks like a large Pygmy -- a barrel on legs. He's a pretty fellow, though, nicely marked, and his mother is in a commercial dairy and is a good milker.
Mazola, 7-y-o doe milking about 6 lbs per day -- had quads this year and is the easiest milker I've ever had -- a sweetheart.
Linnet, 2-y-o first freshener, milking about 4-5 lbs. per day and had trips -- she's shy with strangers, getting easier to milk, sweet with her own people
and an unrelated doe kid, Europa, who I'm picking up this afternoon (committed to purchase her and her brother before I decided I'd have to cut the Kinders and keep the packers) -- she's out of really nice stock, though.

Second group includes:
the brother of the doe kid above, named Euphemus
Dove, a yearling first freshener who is nursing her doe kid and giving about a quart of milk a day besides -- she's Mazola's daughter, a sweetheart, easy to handle on the milking stand though her teats are still small.
Dove's daughter, Magpie -- dam raised but friendly -- a perky little black and white sweetie
and two doe kids (out of Mazola), Robin and Junco (Dove, Maggie, Robin and Junco are all sired by Thunder, which is why they go with Euphemus).
Also if someone spoke quickly (like in the next day or so) I could throw in Sparrow, Linnet's daughter. But she's one of the dam-raised 'wild children' and has horns -- the new disbudding iron didn't get here in time to do her and her brother (who is going in the freezer today)

All of the above are either registered or registerable (still playing catch-up on paperwork, since the lady I bought most of them from had been sick for several years and had fallen behind -- should have it all taken care of shortly, though). All are from CAE neg. herds, have had their shots and been wormed. I can post pictures later, but am taking a short break in the middle of a busy day so can't do it right this minute. I do have a couple of local people interested, but am not sure exactly what they are looking for yet. (One lady just had a C-Section with complications, so she needs to recover before I bother her too much!)

I'd really like to see them stay here in the Klamath Basin (partly so I could get some back if in future I had room!), but if someone elsewhere wants them, and is willing and able to transport them, that will work, too.

Kathleen

Edited to add the names of the two kids I picked up yesterday, and: these two new kids are really nice, though dam-raised and not tame. They are two of a set of quads, and the breeder thinks the quads were the result of two breedings several days apart. She said two of the kids were really small -- I've got the bigger ones. I don't know, because I've noticed tiny babies in batches of Kinder kids, who were as vigorous (or more so) as the larger siblings, and suspect they are just throwbacks to the pygmy genetics. Euphemus is at least as big as my Ober/Boer buck kids (who are a month younger than he is), and may be oversized for a Kinder, but he and his sister both look like good goats. Their mother is a large Nubian, and a good milker with a nice udder.

[HomesteadBaker]

Oh, wow, BJF..... I sure wish I was closer to Oregon!!! Sounds like some great deals for your goats!

I need to find some Kinders closer to extreme SW Nebraska, which is where I am moving in a few weeks.



17 days to go....
Kitty

[HomesteadBaker]

bumping so that some "Kinder people" might see this.......



15 days to go.....
Kitty

[Freeholder]

Kitty, is the "15 days to go" the time until you move? One of my sisters and her family live in Cheyenne, WY, which will be pretty close to you there in SW Nebraska. Some of Nebraska is really pretty, though it does get hot in the summer.

Kathleen

[HomesteadBaker]

Originally Posted by BlueJuniperFarm

Kitty, is the "15 days to go" the time until you move? One of my sisters and her family live in Cheyenne, WY, which will be pretty close to you there in SW Nebraska. Some of Nebraska is really pretty, though it does get hot in the summer.

Kathleen

Yes, it is!! :banana02:

Cheyenne looks to be about 5 or 6 hours from us..... the closest town to us is Trenton, NE. Basically in the middle of nowhere... just the way we like it! LOL The area is beautiful, though the lack of trees will take some getting used to! I told Bill (Wilhelm here on HT) that we would have to plant some! He has already planted 3 peach trees for us..... he is such a "peach", I think I'll keep him! I am digging up a bunch of lilac and maple tree seedlings to transplant on the homestead!

Do you get to visit your sister very often? Bill has family in Sterling, CO, which is not very far from Cheyenne.



15 days to go...
Kitty

[kerrinatoz]

Originally Posted by HomesteadBaker

We are considering getting goats, so I have been doing some research. I like the idea of Kinder goats.... so who has them? Tell me about your experiences with them, please.

Thanks in advance!



18 days to go......
Kitty

Hi There!! We were originally interested in Kinders but ended up seeing (and falling in love with) Nigerians. They are a great size and very proportional which also makes them easy kidders. They come in a beautiful bounty of colors and they have great personalities. Of course we are bias because we now have two wonderful does. They are so sweet and very affectionate. They also have EXCELLENT milk lines so we'll find out next spring when we freshen them for the first time!! Also their size is perfect, I have a 2 year old and a 4 year old and they can do goat chores with me without being intimidated by being outsized.

If you like Kinders, I would definitely check out Nigerians.

Kerrin