help mutilated goat

chris30523 · #1 04/05/06, 11:08 AM

my dogs got a hold of one of my does.Her ear is gone and alot of the skin on her nose.Went to the vet he said he couldn't do anything because she is due to kid in about 10 days.Although there is not much to stitch .I am giving her penicillin.Any suggestions??I would like to keep the kids if I can.She is swallowing ,peeing, and pooping so far.This just happened at 8 am.

Loda Farm · #2 04/05/06, 11:25 AM

I had that happen to one of my fainters, but it was by a Coyote. Her ear was ripped completely off, and part of her leg muscles were ripped out. We treated her for a week. with 2x a day pennicillin, and bandage changes. Her head healed nicely, but we lost her to gangrene in her leg. I would say if this is the only injury, then keeping the injections, and keeping the would clean and covered should do well for her.

Sweet Goats · #3 04/05/06, 11:43 AM

I would also give her some Nutra Drench. I am sure she is quite stressed over this. Good luck with her and the babies.

chris30523 · #4 04/05/06, 12:10 PM

Thanks I have given her nutra-drench and some water.I have yet to figure a way to cower the wound on her nose so she can eat and breath.Did you bandage the ear??

KimM · #5 04/05/06, 12:47 PM

There is that stuff called liquid bandaid at any pharmacy or WalMart, maybe that would work for her nose.

You'll never be able to trust the dog again.

Loda Farm · #6 04/05/06, 01:19 PM

Yes, we bandaged her ear, or at least where it used to be. Basically we ended up wrapping her whole head. Just make sure it is not too tight around her neck.

Laura

Gailann Schrader · #7 04/05/06, 01:27 PM

I hear dog makes pretty good stir-fry or BBQ.

Anyway. Is the skin still hanging on her nose? Or is it gone? How close to kidding is she?

If the skin is still THERE, I would ask the vet if he could just staple the chunk back on. Forget the ear (LaManchas don't need ears either). I agree with the penicillin or other. There is some wound-heal spray that might work. Or check with a horse vet.

I'm very sorry and good luck. Last dog that drug down one of my goats did so in front of me. Wouldn't let go of her either. I managed to pry him off, cross tied him to a couple of trees, and shot him.

Made a good dog out of him. Please be careful with the dog if you plan to keep it.

chris30523 · #8 04/05/06, 01:36 PM

The goats can,t usually get their heads through the fence.This one found a way though so when the dog nipped at her she panicked and the rest was instinct.The great pyr got a piece of the dog though and when I got there I had bloody goats and dogs.I can't shoot the dog she is a family pet.but I can fix the fence. She(the goat) is bandaged and resting calmly the pyr has not left her side.The nose worries me though as it is a de-gloving type injury and pierced one of the nostrils.She was bred on or about 11/25 so it probably is to early for the kids.I did get the necessary supplies incase she dies so we can C-section and see if we can save them.She does not seem to be in any distress right now and is calm.What should I put on the dressings if anything so they don't stick to the wounds?

Gailann Schrader · #9 04/05/06, 01:56 PM

So she's due roughly the end of this month? Fly season?

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Did the glove fit back onto the nose? Or did you have to cut it off?

I would think that as long as she's breathing (and Nutri-drench her if you have some) and resting comfortably, she should recover. Yea, if she dies, you MIGHT have a chance. A little early for them though...

Are the other goats messing with her? Watch that the wound doesn't gangrene. You'll need to unwrap and check it daily (if you aren't already...)

Good luck. Dang goats.

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daytrader · #10 04/05/06, 02:35 PM

Dang dogs and goats. I was real worried this am. I went to feed the goay for the wife. I unwired the gate. I undid the bungee cords and removed the pad lock. Only to go looking in her dog house thing to see she was not there.

I was worried as heck. We have many loose MEAN dogs around here. 4 pit bulls.

I started looking for carnage. Then I see her come running fast as can be across the field and back into her pen. Happy to see me.

I am not sure how she got out, but she did. 6 foot high fence. Best I can think of she climbed it.

I have been so worried because we have sheep comming at the end of the month.

I have electric fence. I think I will run a out side wire to shock anything trying to get in at 10 inches.

I also shoot any dog on my land, UNLESS they are know dogs. I have a few neibor hood dogs that come around. I know these dogs and they are not much of a threat. Once they are. They will be injured to the point of death.

I keep my dogs leased, fenced and tied up. ANYONE else can as well. My dogs will not go to others land. I WILL NOT ALLOW IT. I have to protect MY dogs and others. t called being responsible.

I hope your goat heals good. I bet the ear will be fine. The nose its hard saying with out seeing the damage.

chris30523 · #11 04/05/06, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Gailann Schrader

So she's due roughly the end of this month? Fly season?

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Did the glove fit back onto the nose? Or did you have to cut it off?

I would think that as long as she's breathing (and Nutri-drench her if you have some) and resting comfortably, she should recover. Yea, if she dies, you MIGHT have a chance. A little early for them though...

Are the other goats messing with her? Watch that the wound doesn't gangrene. You'll need to unwrap and check it daily (if you aren't already...)

Good luck. Dang goats.

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She is breathing alright.She is in a stall in the barn.She can see the other goats but they cannot get to her the pyr won't let them near anyway.I have nutra-drench and am making sure she gets water.It is always fly season inGA.
I got my first aid supplies from the local Dr. office I used to work at and they haave shown more intrest and compassion for my little goat than the vet.

Well thanks for all the help .I may need more If I have to c-section to take the kids.(lets hope not))

TexCountryWoman · #12 04/05/06, 02:58 PM

Don't you love those pyrenees! We have two and they have changed our goat-keeping lives. You say you don't want to shoot a pet, that your other dog was going by instinct. Well, after losing 29 sheep and goats to our "pet" and some neighbor dogs, our dog met his fate with a well placed bullet.

Once they taste blood.......

But with our Great Pyrenees, they whole atmosphere of the ranch has changed. It's wonderful what these dogs do. You have to see to believe. We will never be without them again. Glad you have one. Perhaps you need more.

We have a litter of pups, we may just keep them all! The more the better. This is cougar country!

Gailann Schrader · #13 04/05/06, 03:10 PM

There always seems to be that Vet that thinks goats are indestructible. I've found that they are actually quite fragile. Especially dairy goats.

Some of my regular experiences with goats: scours, worms, mites, sickness from changes in feed (specifically me feeding bread to goats - ), changes in water, pneumonia, collar and horn hangings, horn disbud infections, sour stomachs, green stick fracture of the back leg in a baby, ketosis, CL, udder sores, mites, genetic defects, failure to thrive, dog bites, coccidosis, cut udders from a chunk of barbed wire they "found," HUGE births, instances of gorging on a full barrel of feed from breaking out, newborn babies managing to houdini out of the birthing pen and freezing down to the ground in January, etc.

I'm grateful that my 'country' Vet is very very very attuned to goats - even more so than the Purdue Vets! It's great that your dr. is helping you out. I keep a doctor's bag full of Kaopectate, weak kid tube, Vit A, Vit B, BoSe, etc., etc. for those goat emergencies. They just aren't as rugged as most folks believe.

My friends tease me that in all their years of goating they haven't had as many instances of problems as I have. I guess I can almost say that I've seen it all... Good luck with your goat!

Teacupliz · #14 04/05/06, 03:58 PM

I have found peroxide and blood stop form a coating like skin..

Liz

BamaSuzy · #15 04/05/06, 04:04 PM

The best thing I've tried to help heal an injury on a two-month old Nubian kid had been Caladryl (actually it's a generic of Caladryl)....anyway, the wound is kind of on the tip of her ear so I put some of this in a shallow small bowl and dip the ear in it thoroughly coated it on both sides. With a wound like yours this might work as well.

Best wishes! I HATE IT so when one of my animals is injured or sick.

goatmarm · #16 04/05/06, 06:08 PM

sorry-- posted same message twice.

goatmarm · #17 04/05/06, 06:13 PM

Yikes, Liz! Bloodstop powder on a wound that size would hurt like the dickens!
We always use Blu-Cote when we disbud, and I used it on our does when they got an extreme reaction to a nasty case of orf on their udders. One had a large raw spot the size of your palm. Sprayed the area w/ the antibacterial/antifungal spray, and you could start to see obvious improvement overnight. Furrall spray would do the same I would think, though I have not used that one before.
It'll gave the wound a layer of protection, and allow the healthy skin to heal. You shouldn't have to apply a bandage either if you use the spray. The spray stains blue, but I don't think it stings like some of the previously mentioned suggestions. At least my girls didn't so much as flinch when I sprayed their sores.
I hope she recovers.

chris30523 · #18 04/05/06, 07:40 PM

I have the blue spray but don't want to use it because of the opening in her nasal area.I wonder if it would hurt her??the bandage on her nose is bulky and getting stuff stuck to it.Of course without it the stuff would be stuck to the wound.She was up and around and talking to the other goats.Still has not eaten though.Where do you give penicillin shots??Not much muscle on a hugely pregnant goats??

Milk n' Honey · #19 04/05/06, 11:42 PM

What to do??? Well, besides the obvious, which is to shoot the dog, I'm not sure. I wouldn't trust a dog around children who would attack a goat. Besides, your other goats are in danger now too. Once a dog attacks something like that, it is bound to be a fun game for them from now on. Get rid of the dog right away!! Family pet or not, I believe you are asking for trouble to keep it. Why would the dog have nipped at the goat to begin with? Is this not a gardian dog? I've heard of people buying dog breeds that are typically used for guardians but they don't get one that has been raised specifically for that reason and end up having all kinds of trouble. I wouldn't want to have to constantly worry that my dog might be able to get into my goats and kill them. If he already did it this time when the goat got through the fence, who's to say he won't try to get through the fence to get to the goats this time, since he already attacked? This is most likely to happen. You could lose one dog or many goats. It wouldn't be a hard decision for me if my goat got mangled. You could start over and get a guardian pyr. puppy and put her out with the goats to grow up. Then you'd probably be much happier and not have to worry anymore!! I sure hope your doe heals up OK and delivers those babies OK. It is a heartache to lose any of these wonderful animals!! Good luck to you.

chamoisee · #20 04/05/06, 11:48 PM

Didn't somebody (I think it was Vicki) mention something called Nu-skin that is like a big clear bandage? That is what I'd use. If not, put comfrey on the wound. When I had goats dehorned by the vet, they had the entire top of the head skinless (which, BTW, is why I prefer sawing the horns off at home). Comfrey was what worked well for that. Fresh leaves, grated roots, or purchased powder (from health food store) will all work.

And shoot the dog. The fact that it's a pet only means that it will be that much more likely to have access to livestock again, unless it lives in an apartment in the city. Your goats are family pets too, are they not? My very first goat was ripped apart by our family dogs. Sorry to say, the dogs weren't shot, the goat died. The dogs were subsequently dumped miles away from my folk's place, near someone they disliked.

I wonder how many chickens and other livestock was killed before those dogs finally got shot?